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Matt wrote:
> On Nov 6, 11:34 pm, "Scout"
> wrote:
>> Matt wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 6:30 pm, "Scout"
>>> wrote:
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 6, 11:57 am, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray
>>>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" wrote
>>>>>> innews:Xns9CBB668B08A2hopewell@216.196.97.130:
>>
>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>> news:64cd7060-e8e2-437f-abec-10f68a25c196@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>>>>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae
>>>>>>>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it from one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect s your "life, liberty or your pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness". None of those are affect ed unless your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent
>>>>>>>>>>>> (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent
>>>>>>>>>>> would be a government office. Guns are usually banned in
>>>>>>>>>>> there. Do you ha ve so me other place in mind?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk? Are
>>>>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't threatening them?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of being
>>>>>>>>>>> killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher
>>>>>>>>>>> that that occurrence. If you have proof of the contrary,
>>>>>>>>>>> then feel free to post it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on
>>>>>>>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other
>>>>>>>>>> people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman,
>>>>>>>>>> and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting
>>>>>>>>>> in history at a U.S. military base.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at
>>>>>>>>>> the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are
>>>>>>>>>> about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical
>>>>>>>>>> screening, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, aware of it. You do realize that most Democrats and
>>>>>>>>> antigunners feel that guns should be restricted to just law
>>>>>>>>> enforcement or the military. How did that work for you at Ft
>>>>>>>>> Hood?
>>
>>>>>>>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed
>>>>>>>> soldier?
>>
>>>>>> Civilains, properly armed have been standing up to soldiers
>>>>>> throughout
>>>>>> history. You use your civilian gun to get yourself some military
>>>>>> hardware.
>>>>>> Don't you read?
>>
>>>>> On a very small scale, I will agree with you. There has not,
>>>>> however, been an
>>>>> armed revolt against the military that has worked in quite some
>>>>> time. There have
>>>>> been some guerilla efforts that have worked for a short time. Can
>>>>> you name a time
>>>>> in modern history when the armed populace have successfully
>>>>> stopped a large
>>>>> scale army?
>>
>>>> First Chechen War
>>
>>> Not sure which one you mean, the first was a civil war.
>>
>> That maybe, but that's how the history books record it. You asked,
>> you were given a valid answer.
>
> Fair enough.
>>
>>>> Afghanistan
>>
>>> Certainly not, if you mean the Russian invasion. We were backing
>>> them, as you may recall. If you mean currently, they aren't doing
>>> much of a job of defending themselves.
>>
>> Sure we were backing them, supplying them with arms, and they stood
>> off the Russian army.
>>
>> You didn't say they couldn't get aid.
>
> That's just silly, we did a lot more than aid them.
Really? I don't seem to recall us sending in the US Army to do the fighting.
Seems the afgands did all of that.
>>>> WWII
>>
>>> Note the 'successful' part.
>>
>> Really? I am unaware that Switzerland was ever successfully invaded
>> in WWII.
>
> Switzerland did not hold off an army, the Alps held off an army. There
> are lots of
> reasons nobody has ever invaded Switzerland successfully, none of them
> have to
> do with armed forces.
It certainly didn't, the millions of armed Swiss on the other hand was a
pretty positive deterrent. You asked for cases, and I gave you cases. Now
you want to bitch and moan and try to come up with excuses on why you should
be allowed to ignore the very information you asked for.
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