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From: leg@sea
Scout wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 11:34 pm, "Scout"
>> wrote:
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> On Nov 6, 6:30 pm, "Scout"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 11:57 am, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray
>>>>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" wrote
>>>>>>> innews:Xns9CBB668B08A2hopewell@216.196.97.130:
>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:64cd7060-e8e2-437f-abec-10f68a25c196@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>>>>>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae
>>>>>>>>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it from one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect s your "life, liberty or your pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness". None of those are affect ed unless your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a government office. Guns are usually banned in
>>>>>>>>>>>> there. Do you ha ve so me other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk? Are
>>>>>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of being
>>>>>>>>>>>> killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher
>>>>>>>>>>>> that that occurrence. If you have proof of the contrary,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then feel free to post it.
>>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on
>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other
>>>>>>>>>>> people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman,
>>>>>>>>>>> and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting
>>>>>>>>>>> in history at a U.S. military base.
>>>>>>>>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at
>>>>>>>>>>> the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are
>>>>>>>>>>> about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical
>>>>>>>>>>> screening, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, aware of it. You do realize that most Democrats and
>>>>>>>>>> antigunners feel that guns should be restricted to just law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement or the military. How did that work for you at Ft
>>>>>>>>>> Hood?
>>>>>>>>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed
>>>>>>>>> soldier?
>>>>>>> Civilains, properly armed have been standing up to soldiers
>>>>>>> throughout
>>>>>>> history. You use your civilian gun to get yourself some military
>>>>>>> hardware.
>>>>>>> Don't you read?
>>>>>> On a very small scale, I will agree with you. There has not,
>>>>>> however, been an
>>>>>> armed revolt against the military that has worked in quite some
>>>>>> time. There have
>>>>>> been some guerilla efforts that have worked for a short time. Can
>>>>>> you name a time
>>>>>> in modern history when the armed populace have successfully
>>>>>> stopped a large
>>>>>> scale army?
>>>>> First Chechen War
>>>> Not sure which one you mean, the first was a civil war.
>>> That maybe, but that's how the history books record it. You asked,
>>> you were given a valid answer.
>> Fair enough.
>>>>> Afghanistan
>>>> Certainly not, if you mean the Russian invasion. We were backing
>>>> them, as you may recall. If you mean currently, they aren't doing
>>>> much of a job of defending themselves.
>>> Sure we were backing them, supplying them with arms, and they stood
>>> off the Russian army.
>>>
>>> You didn't say they couldn't get aid.
>> That's just silly, we did a lot more than aid them.
>
> Really? I don't seem to recall us sending in the US Army to do the fighting.
> Seems the afgands did all of that.
>
>
>
>>>>> WWII
>>>> Note the 'successful' part.
>>> Really? I am unaware that Switzerland was ever successfully invaded
>>> in WWII.
>> Switzerland did not hold off an army, the Alps held off an army. There
>> are lots of
>> reasons nobody has ever invaded Switzerland successfully, none of them
>> have to
>> do with armed forces.
>
> It certainly didn't, the millions of armed Swiss on the other hand was a
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