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From: leg@sea
Bama Brian wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 3:59 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" > @comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Matt wrote
>>> innews:11133d34-286a-405b-95ed-9cd7f1ed066b@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 10:04 am, "RD (The Sandman)" >>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>> innews:64cd7060-e8e2-437f-abec-10f68a
>>>> 25c...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae
>>>>>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>> @yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @yahoo.co
>>>>>>>>>> m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric
>>>>>>>>>>>> with more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun
>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness". None of those
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>> ed
>>>>>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.
>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent
>>>>>>>>>> (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent
>>>>>>>>> would be a government office. Guns are usually banned in
>>>>>>>>> there. Do
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>> ve
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk? Are
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone
>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of being
>>>>>>>>> killed in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher that that
>>>>>>>>> occurrence. If you have proof of the contrary, then feel free
>>>>>>>>> to post it.
>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on
>>>>>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people
>>>>>>>> and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the
>>>>>>>> violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history
>>>>>>>> at a U.S. military base.
>>>>>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at
>>>>>>>> the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are
>>>>>>>> about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical
>>>>>>>> screening, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.
>>>>>>> Yep, aware of it. You do realize that most Democrats and
>>>>>>> antigunner
>>>> s
>>>>>>> feel that guns should be restricted to just law enforcement or the
>>>>>>> military. How did that work for you at Ft Hood?
>>>>>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed soldier?
>>>>> If I was also armed.....yes. I was one of them for awhile.
>>>> Somehow, I'm guessing your reaction time is not quite up to that of
>>>> an 18-21 year old. Just a hunch, because I know full well that mine
>>>> isn't.
>>> But you didn't ask that. You asked if I would go up against an armed
>>> soldier. I said, yes, if I was armed.
>>
>> One would hope, for our country's sake, that you would stand no
>> chance.
>> I happen to believe that. Your mileage may vary.
>>
>>>>>> I'm tired of you people trying to have it both ways.
>>>>> We get a little tired of you and your tired ideas, too, Matt, but I
>>>>> think that you are probably all right as a person.....just a little
>>>>> soft in the head... ;)
>>>> There are days when I remember why I like you. I disagree with you,
>>>> but I like you.
>>> Thank you for that.....it is mutual.
>>>
>>>>>> Guns are defensive, except, of course when they aren't.
>>>>> That is true. Guns are instruments that can be used both ways.
>>>> The issue is really more the attitude of *many* (not all) pro-gun
>>>> folk. That
>>>> guns are good because they can defend you, and when people use them
>>>> badly (as in the army story, or any newspaper story these days) that
>>>> it is
>>>> 'gang-bangers' or 'bad guys'. Um, they weren't always gang-bangers or
>>>> bad
>>>> guys. Could it possibly be that using the gun made them bad?
>>> Not unless you believe the gun is capable of influencing someone's
>>> thoughts like the Shadow. Guns are inanimate. People may influence
>>> themselves when they have a gun, but that was a failure within the
>>> person.
>>
>> This is one area where I 'disagree'. Yes, obviously, a gun is
>> inanimate and
>> cannot change someone by itself. But, carrying a gun has
>> ramifications. I
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