XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell   
   From: leg@sea   
      
   RD (The Sandman) wrote:   
   > Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote in   
   > news:aasaf5t7gsegekgjasnpcgl1mq9vc2llar@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Matt wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-   
   >>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>> @yahoo.com>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>> @yahoo.co   
   >>>>>>>>>> m>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only looking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where mine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Or you.  Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun   
   >>>>>>>>>>> affects   
   >>>>>>>>> your   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness".  None of those   
   >>>>>>>>>>> are   
   >>>>>>>>> affect   
   >>>>>>>>>> ed   
   >>>>>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.   
   >>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent   
   >>>>>>>>>> (as opposed to   
   >>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.   
   >>>>>>>>> Two questions:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> 1.  The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent   
   >>>>>>>>> would be a government office.  Guns are usually banned in   
   >>>>>>>>> there.  Do you have some other place in mind?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> 2.  Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk?  Are   
   >>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to   
   >>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone   
   >>>>>>>>>> that wasn't threatening them?   
   >>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened.  Of course your odds of being   
   >>>>>>>>> killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher that   
   >>>>>>>>> that occurrence.  If you have proof of the contrary, then feel   
   >>>>>>>>> free to post it.   
   >>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing   
   >>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on   
   >>>>>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that   
   >>>>>>> So you want ALL your fellow soldiers disarmed?!?!   
   >>>>>> What do you mean 'fellow soldiers?"   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Are you insinuating that Matt is one of America's Fighting Men?   
   >>>>> Lol, not for a minute.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But his gripe was other people having firearms in places he *MUST*   
   >>>>> frequent.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So ergo if he were in the military, HE would have BIG TIME problem   
   >>>>> with his fellow soldiers, yes?   
   >>>> Gotcha. If he could only, somehow, muster the courage and tell me   
   >>>> how my carrying a gun infringes on his rights, well, we might get   
   >>>> somewhere. But obviously his inability to describe this scenario has   
   >>>> caused him great mental conflict.   
   >>> Oodles, so he dissembles and decouples.   
   >> I just noticed the post where he describes his affection and   
   >> admiration for Sandman and dismisses us. I'm going to assume that   
   >> means I's going to avoid tackling the problem I gave him to work out.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Possibly it is the approach and not the actual dialog on problems.  ;)   
   >   
   > For example, in Leg@sea's place, if he would drop the name calling and   
   > invectives, he would have a lot more credibility in his statements.   
   >   
      
   Your premise being that my volume, inflection, or word choice somehow   
   carry the overriding ability to alter my message?   
      
   That's almost as ludicrous as Matty's assertion that inanimate objects   
   can alter peoples' behavior.   
      
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