XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell
From: leg@sea
RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
> news:4iibf5d7d0hf63qmeqtequkk184rsjmb4i@4ax.com:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns "RD (The Sandman)"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>> news:00gbf5951n4spkorcq90pdnuh8jksk0m3v@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>> news:aasaf5t7gsegekgjasnpcgl1mq9vc2llar@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness". None of
>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent would be a government office. Guns are usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> banned in there. Do you have some other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk?
>>> Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher that that occurrence. If you have proof of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, then
>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to post it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you want ALL your fellow soldiers disarmed?!?!
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean 'fellow soldiers?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you insinuating that Matt is one of America's Fighting
>>>>>>>>>>> Men?
>>>>>>>>>> Lol, not for a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But his gripe was other people having firearms in places he
>>> *MUST*
>>>>>>>>>> frequent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So ergo if he were in the military, HE would have BIG TIME
>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>> with his fellow soldiers, yes?
>>>>>>>>> Gotcha. If he could only, somehow, muster the courage and tell
>>>>>>>>> me how my carrying a gun infringes on his rights, well, we
>>>>>>>>> might get somewhere. But obviously his inability to describe
>>>>>>>>> this scenario
>>> has
>>>>>>>>> caused him great mental conflict.
>>>>>>>> Oodles, so he dissembles and decouples.
>>>>>>> I just noticed the post where he describes his affection and
>>>>>>> admiration for Sandman and dismisses us. I'm going to assume that
>>>>>>> means I's going to avoid tackling the problem I gave him to work
>>> out.
>>>>>> Possibly it is the approach and not the actual dialog on problems.
>>>>>>
>>> ;)
>>>>>> For example, in Leg@sea's place, if he would drop the name calling
>>> and
>>>>>> invectives, he would have a lot more credibility in his
>>>>>> statements.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your premise being that my volume, inflection, or word choice
>>>>> somehow carry the overriding ability to alter my message?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's almost as ludicrous as Matty's assertion that inanimate
>>>>> objects can alter peoples' behavior.
>>>> What seems abundantly clear is that when Matt is challenged on a
>>>> statement like "carrying your gun infringes on my rights" ad then
>>>> mumbles something about "life liberty, and the pursuit of
>>>> happiness," and then makes up excuses why he can't elaborate, the
>>>> problem is not with volume, inflection, or word choice.
>>>>
>>> Or profanity. It is simply a thought or idea that may be misplaced or
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