XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell
From: leg@sea
RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> "leg@sea" wrote in
> news:hd4v4k$beq$11@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>> news:4iibf5d7d0hf63qmeqtequkk184rsjmb4i@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>> news:00gbf5951n4spkorcq90pdnuh8jksk0m3v@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:aasaf5t7gsegekgjasnpcgl1mq9vc2llar@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's fine. But simply repeating the same old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness". None of
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent would be a government office. Guns are usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> banned in there. Do you have some other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk?
>>>>> Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher that that occurrence. If you have proof of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, then
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to post it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you want ALL your fellow soldiers disarmed?!?!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean 'fellow soldiers?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you insinuating that Matt is one of America's Fighting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Men?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol, not for a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But his gripe was other people having firearms in places he
>>>>> *MUST*
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So ergo if he were in the military, HE would have BIG TIME
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> with his fellow soldiers, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>> Gotcha. If he could only, somehow, muster the courage and
>>>>>>>>>>> tell me how my carrying a gun infringes on his rights, well,
>>>>>>>>>>> we might get somewhere. But obviously his inability to
>>>>>>>>>>> describe this scenario
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> caused him great mental conflict.
>>>>>>>>>> Oodles, so he dissembles and decouples.
>>>>>>>>> I just noticed the post where he describes his affection and
>>>>>>>>> admiration for Sandman and dismisses us. I'm going to assume
>>>>>>>>> that means I's going to avoid tackling the problem I gave him
>>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>> Possibly it is the approach and not the actual dialog on
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>> For example, in Leg@sea's place, if he would drop the name
>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> invectives, he would have a lot more credibility in his
>>>>>>>> statements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your premise being that my volume, inflection, or word choice
>>>>>>> somehow carry the overriding ability to alter my message?
>>>>>>>
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