XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell
From: leg@sea
RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> "leg@sea" wrote in
> news:hd722v$avq$15@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>> "leg@sea" wrote in
>>> news:hd4urk$beq$8@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>> "leg@sea" wrote in news:hd4erl$edd$2@news.eternal-
>>>>> september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>> news:aasaf5t7gsegekgjasnpcgl1mq9vc2llar@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "leg@sea" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's fine. But simply repeating the same old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness". None of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent would be a government office. Guns are usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> banned in there. Do you have some other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher that that occurrence. If you have proof of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, then feel free to post it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you want ALL your fellow soldiers disarmed?!?!
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean 'fellow soldiers?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you insinuating that Matt is one of America's Fighting
>>>>>>>>>>>> Men?
>>>>>>>>>>> Lol, not for a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But his gripe was other people having firearms in places he
>>>>>>>>>>> *MUST* frequent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So ergo if he were in the military, HE would have BIG TIME
>>>>>>>>>>> problem with his fellow soldiers, yes?
>>>>>>>>>> Gotcha. If he could only, somehow, muster the courage and tell
>>>>>>>>>> me how my carrying a gun infringes on his rights, well, we
>>>>>>>>>> might get somewhere. But obviously his inability to describe
>>>>>>>>>> this scenario
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> caused him great mental conflict.
>>>>>>>>> Oodles, so he dissembles and decouples.
>>>>>>>> I just noticed the post where he describes his affection and
>>>>>>>> admiration for Sandman and dismisses us. I'm going to assume
>>>>>>>> that means I's going to avoid tackling the problem I gave him to
>>>>>>>> work out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Possibly it is the approach and not the actual dialog on
>>>>>>> problems. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, in Leg@sea's place, if he would drop the name
>>>>>>> calling and invectives, he would have a lot more credibility in
>>>>>>> his statements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your premise being that my volume, inflection, or word choice
>>>>>> somehow carry the overriding ability to alter my message?
>>>>> No, but it alters the other side's possibility of seeing it. We
>>>>> used to see where people making a presentation would have a typo or
>>>>> a word spelled wrong. In many cases, no one paid any more attention
>>>>> to the presentation or message, instead they were looking for more
>>>>> typos or mispellings.
>>>> You seem, for all your many years here, not yet to have grasped the
>>>> utter futility of uselessnet.
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