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From: leg@sea
Matt wrote:
> On Nov 8, 1:38 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> wrote:
>> Matt wrote innews:9ed4119c-2f55-4034
b5b3-fcff8cb73713@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
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>>> On Nov 7, 9:55 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>>> wrote:
>>>> Matt wrote
>>>> innews:d2fc471c-bf16-4ac8-a554-7dc19ac6b744@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> On Nov 7, 11:16 am, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>>> innews:d30aee9d-efd9-4b55-b7ee-a5808f8edbdf@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.co
>>>>>> m:
>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 11:57 am, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" wrote
>>>>>>>> innews:Xns9CBB 668B08A2hopew...@216.196.97.130:
>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:64cd7060-e8e2-437f-abec-10f68a25c196@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.
>>>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae
>>>>>>>>>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.co m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it from one viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's fine. But simply repeating the same old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric with more and more hyperbole isn't getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun affect s your "life, liberty or your pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness". None of those are affect ed unless your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pursuit of happin ess includes disarming me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequent (as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> woul d be a government office. Guns are usually banned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. Do you ha ve so me other place in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you planning to attack me or threaten my life?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone that wasn't threatening them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher that that occurrence. If you have proof of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, then feel free t o post it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas - A military mental health doctor facing
>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other
>>>>>>>>>>>> people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting
>>>>>>>>>>>> in history at a U.S. military base.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo
>>>>>>>>>>>> medical screening, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, aware of it. You do realize that most Democrats and
>>>>>>>>>>> antigunne rs feel that guns should be restricted to just law
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement or the military. How did that work for you at Ft
>>>>>>>>>>> Hood?
>>>>>>>>>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed
>>>>>>>>>> soldier?
>>>>>>>> Civilains, properly armed have been standing up to soldiers
>>>>>>>> throughout history. You use your civilian gun to get yourself some
>>>>>>>> military hardware . Don't you read?
>>>>>>> On a very small scale, I will agree with you. There has not,
>>>>>>> however, been an armed revolt against the military that has worked
>>>>>>> in quite some time. There have
>>>>>>> been some guerilla efforts that have worked for a short time. Can
>>>>>>> you name a time
>>>>>>> in modern history when the armed populace have successfully stopped
>>>>>>> a large scale army?
>>>>>> Afghanistan.......Viet Nam
>>>>> Recheck the thread, neither applies. Afghanistan, unless you mean
>>>>> against the Soviet invasion, was not a revolt. They basically lost to
>>>>> the Soviets, much
>>>>> as we lost to the British in the War of Independence, and simply made
>>>>> it hurt
>>>>> as much as they could until the Soviets decided that internal strife
>>>>> was more
>>>>> important. They certainly didn't 'win'. Vietnam is the same case. In
>>>>> either case,
>>>>> the opposing military easily could have won, but chose not to because
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