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   Message 57 of 1,954   
   Jochen Fromm to All   
   Re: The secret of true AI   
   10 Sep 03 10:26:59   
   
   From: Jochen.Fromm@t-online.de   
      
   > >   
   > > * create an adaptable or adaptive system   
   > >   (with the right kind of internal architecture)   
   > > * place the system in an artificial environment   
   > >   which is complex enough   
   > > * let the system learn and grow   
   > >   
   >   
   > I think you are absolutely right, but that's kind of like describing   
   > the steps to landing a man on the moon as:   
   >   
   > * create a device capable of travelling to the moon   
   > * launch the device   
   >   
   >   
      
   Interesting analogy. The rocket must be fast enough, just   
   like the artificial world must be complex enough. And the   
   task is to heavy for a single person, too.   
      
   It was NASA with the german Wernher von Braun who   
   build the Appollo rockets. Von Braun was one of the   
   designers of the V2, the german "vengeance weapon" in   
   the second world war ( interestingly it took them   
   over 65,000 failures until they developed a reliable rocket -   
   how many failures will we need until we develop a   
   kind of true AI ? ). But in fact the whole country was involved   
   in bringing a man to the moon and back, it required the   
   construction of new computers and other things.   
      
   If a huge company like Microsoft would concentrate on just   
   one thing - building an AI system - they could do it.   
   But they won't do it, because of course they concentrate   
   themselves on making money. Microsoft is one of the   
   few companies who would have the power to do it.   
   Large companies are like huge oil tankers or aircraft carriers.   
   You can't change their course from one minute to the other,   
   but once you have changed it, nothing can stop them to go   
   in that direction.   
      
   By the way, do you know this story about the aircraft carrier   
   USS Lincoln :   
      
   This is the transcript of the actual radio conversation of a US Naval ship   
   with the Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in Oct 1995.   
      
   Radio conversation released by chief of naval operations 10/10/95.   
      
   Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a   
              collision.   
      
   Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the north.   
      
   Canadians: Negative. you will have to divert your course 15 degrees to   
              the south to avoid a collision.   
      
   Americans: This is the captain of a US navy ship. I say again, divert   
              your course.   
      
   Canadians: No. I say again, divert your course.   
      
   Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND   
              LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET.  WE ARE   
              ACCOMPANIED BY THREE  DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS   
              SUPPORT  VESSELS.  I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE   
              15 DEGREES NORTH -- I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH --   
   OR   
              COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY   
              OF THIS SHIP.   
      
   Canadians: We are a lighthouse. Your call.   
      
      
   The comparison with the flight to the moon is interesting   
   for another reason. Building systems with artificial intelligence   
   which are able to "think" has often been compared with building things   
   with wings which are able to "fly". But planes don't work the   
   same way as birds, jets don't flap their wings. Compared to the   
   elegant wings of birds, modern airplanes work with brute force,   
   and they reach much faster velocities with this method.   
      
   Just as all attempts to construct symbolic AI systems without   
   contact to reality failed (the symbol grounding problem), all attempts   
   to construct "Icarus" systems with flapping wings failed.   
      
   Birds and planes rely on the aerodynamic principle of lift.   
   It was important to discover the aerodynamics principles, and   
   with the power of oil engines we achieved the ability to fly.   
   In AI, it is important to discover the fundamental principles, and   
   with the power of computers, networks and the internet,   
   systems will probably achieve the ability to "think".   
      
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