XPost: alt.os.development   
   From: maxim@storagecraft.com   
      
   > Hmmm... what about Plan9, NextStep (MacOS X)?   
      
   Plan9 is dead. Just one more ivory tower of self-satisfying intellectuals far   
   from the real world. It is completed at all, or just the concept? Can it be   
   booted to a real-world computer?   
      
   Mac OS X/NextStep is only OO in its GUI layer. In this layer, Windows+MFC is   
   also OO (consider MFC).   
      
   > There are big problems with C++, Java, C#. But there are Eiffel,   
   > Erlang, Smalltalk, Common Lisp, Oz/Mozart and others. Most of the   
   > problems are solved for decades, but the industry does ignore those   
   > results, mostly (IMHO).   
      
   Yes, the industry really ignores the "yet another toy of intellectuals" stuff.   
   Correct. What are the advantages of Eiffel over C++? What are the advantages of   
   Smalltalk over Perl? Being OO? Well, Perl is OO too.   
      
   > whole and individual managers are nearly always make decisions based   
   > on facts and rational reasoning -- but that's bullshit. Even if   
   > managers would be very rational people (and I don't think so),   
      
   Mostly they are. The only issue they can have is - being affected by some ad   
   from some company about "we provide our new Ultimate Tool!". But the more   
   competent will require a real look at this "ultimate tool", and see that, in   
   fact, it is not so "ultimate" at all and more of a marketing hype.   
      
   >they   
   > just can't make really good decisions, because (as we all know here   
   > :)), they just don't know all facts.   
      
   They just do not bother, and often have the attitude of "traditional - means   
   best, all these new waves must first prove themselves in practice".   
      
   >So they decide based on uncertain   
   > knowledge and I think at the moment we are sitting on a local extremum   
   > (but a very very bad one compared to the global maximum).   
      
   Maybe. This is satisfactory usually.   
      
   > advancement. But if you know Smalltalk, Common Lisp or some other   
   > languages, even the most hyped features of Python, C# or Ruby seems   
      
   Perl borrowed lots of features from LISP. And yes, Perl is widely used, even   
   being an eclectic mess of all paradigms.   
      
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