XPost: alt.os.development   
   From: snobis@gmx.de   
      
   "Maxim S. Shatskih"  writes:   
      
   > Plan9 is dead.   
      
   As a product, maybe, but the concepts are not dead -- I think in a   
   couple of decades the industrie will "advance" to some crippled   
   version of Plan9 eventually.   
      
   > Mac OS X/NextStep is only OO in its GUI layer.   
      
   Maybe it's true for Mac OS X, but AFAIK NextStep is written (with only   
   small exceptions) in Objective-C, so it's OO all down, even in device   
   drivers and the like.   
      
   > Yes, the industry really ignores the "yet another toy of   
   > intellectuals" stuff.   
      
   Hmmmm... you seem to be a bit biased, aren't you?   
      
   > Correct. What are the advantages of Eiffel over C++? What are the   
   > advantages of Smalltalk over Perl? Being OO? Well, Perl is OO too.   
      
   There are many advantages of Eiffel over C++ and Smalltalk over Perl   
   (and there are disadvantages, depending on your task at hand).   
      
   The point being: There were problems mentioned and I wanted to point   
   to (long known) existing solutions to most mentioned problems and that   
   some of those old languages, which you call "another toy of   
   intellectuals" are still superior in many aspects to todays most used   
   languages like C++, C#, Java or Perl. So taking a look at those "toys"   
   may be a real eye-opener to what's really possible, when all you know   
   is, for example, C++.   
      
   > They just do not bother, and often have the attitude of "traditional   
   > - means best, all these new waves must first prove themselves in   
   > practice".   
      
   And this you call rational decisions? Not to bother about (all) facts   
   and just wait and look what others do (since some have to use new   
   tools and take advantage of them, how else can they "prove themselves   
   in practice"). I call this a dumb belly-decision, some kind of "no one   
   was ever be fired for purchasing IBM products". It's really no   
   reational decision based on (all known) facts.   
      
   --   
   Stefan.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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