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|    Dmitry A. Kazakov to bakim    |
|    Re: Ideas to incorporate/integrate both     |
|    16 Oct 08 09:56:55    |
      641d84ce       From: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de              On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT), bakim wrote:              > I appreciate at your opinion related to the problem. I could       > understand that rainfall for a particular event/day has a specific       > value, but the values of rainfall get changed as time changed. For       > example, the amount of rain falling in a certain area for yesterday       > is 10 mm and today is 30 mm. Hence, temporally the rainfall has an       > influence on other spatial variables on landscape i.e. for that       > particular location, all variables which are varied spatially doesnot       > changed in small time interval. For all variables which vaired       > spatially, a membership function can be assigned considering the       > expert knowlege and their interaction between them. For rainfall, the       > range of values i.e. lower support and upper support to define the       > fuzzy sets are temporal in nature ( rainfall value for past 100 days;       > min:0 max: 150 mm; hence the range is (0,100) to define the membership       > and assess the fuzzy sets). On the contary, other variables like slope       > is in spatial domain ( slope value for the region range from 0 to 45,       > (0,45)). My problem was whether Fuzzy set and membership function that       > represent in temporal domain and that in spatial domain can be put       > together to develop a Fuzzy rule based system. Its a kind of Spatio-       > Temporal concept as far as i understand from literature.              I see. It means that the input is *not* rainfall.              When you start defining a fuzzy set, the first question to ask yourself is       what is the domain of. A fuzzy set of rainfall has the domain of       dimensioned real numbers measured in meters (the measure of rainfall).       Formally:               L -> [0,1] (here L is in meters: m^3 / m^2)              Now, if you want to bring time into the picture, then it is not a rainfall,       but a distribution of over some time interval. In this case the fuzzy set       is:               L x T -> [0,1]              I.e. its membership function is defined over the Cartesian product of       rainfall and time. It tells for given rainfall value and given time how is       it possible (or other truth value) that it rained that much at that time.              Similarly you can add spatial data:               L x L x L x T -> [0,1]              First L is rainfall, the second two L is the coordinates, T is time. The       meaning is how is it possible that it rained that much at the spot (X,Y) at       the time T.              Now, of course, if you want to deploy some machine learning or else       manually define a classifier (set of rules) based on such data, you       certainly will have a difficult problem that any representative statistics       in such model will be extremely huge. In short it likely won't work.              So before you start you probably have to cluster your data into sets of       significantly lesser dimensions. For example, the space L x L could be       split into areas of interests so that L x L were replaced to N (a set of       linguistic variables describing areas). In fuzzy approach these areas       itself can have fuzzy margins and overlapping. Same can be done with T. For       example, linguistic variables Day, Night, Dawn etc. Of course clustering       may involve all three components. I.e. you can have linguistic variables       like "typical rainfall in London in spring." I think you have got the idea.              --       Regards,       Dmitry A. Kazakov       http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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