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   olcott to All   
   Any honest person that knows the x86 lan   
   29 Jul 24 09:07:53   
   
   XPost: comp.theory   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) show the same non-halting   
   behavior pattern in their derived execution traces of their   
   inputs.   
      
   Correct emulation is defined as emulating the machine language   
   input according to the x86 semantics specified by this input.   
      
   For DDD correctly emulated by HHH this includes HHH emulating   
   itself emulating DDD according to the x86 semantics of itself.   
      
   HHH(DDD) shows the exact same execution trace behavior pattern   
   as HHH(Infinite_Recursion) where 3-4 instructions are repeated   
   with no conditional branch instructions in this trace that could   
   prevent them from endlessly repeating.   
      
   void Infinite_Recursion()   
   {   
      Infinite_Recursion();   
   }   
      
   _Infinite_Recursion()   
   [0000215a] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [0000215b] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000215d] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line   
   [00002162] 5d         pop ebp   
   [00002163] c3         ret   
   Size in bytes:(0010) [00002163]   
      
   *THREE lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions*   
   Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:113934   
   [0000215a][00113924][00113928] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [0000215b][00113924][00113928] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000215d][00113920][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line   
   [0000215a][0011391c][00113924] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [0000215b][0011391c][00113924] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000215d][00113918][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line   
   Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped   
      
   If you cannot see that the above x86 machine code proves that   
   it will never halt then you can't possibly understand what I   
   have been saying.   
      
   The first three lines of _Infinite_Recursion() repeat and there   
   are no conditional branch in that sequence that can possibly keep   
   it from repeating forever.   
      
   HHH(DDD) is the exact same pattern is shown below. The first   
   four lines of DDD repeat and there are are no conditional branch   
   in that sequence that can possibly keep it from repeating forever.   
      
   void DDD()   
   {   
      HHH(DDD);   
   }   
      
   _DDD()   
   [00002177] 55               push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [00002178] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000217a] 6877210000       push 00002177 ; push DDD   
   [0000217f] e853f4ffff       call 000015d7 ; call HHH   
   [00002184] 83c404           add esp,+04   
   [00002187] 5d               pop ebp   
   [00002188] c3               ret   
   Size in bytes:(0018) [00002188]   
      
   *FOUR lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions*   
   Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:113895   
   [00002177][00113885][00113889] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [00002178][00113885][00113889] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000217a][00113881][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD   
   [0000217f][0011387d][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH   
      
   [00002177][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line   
   [00002178][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line   
   [0000217a][0015e2a9][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD   
   [0000217f][0015e2a5][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH   
   Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped   
      
   Because HHH has no idea that it is calling itself HHH only sees   
   the same Infinite Recursion behavior pattern that it saw with   
   Infinite_Recursion().   
      
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