home bbs files messages ]

Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"

   comp.ai.philosophy      Perhaps we should ask SkyNet about this      59,235 messages   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]

   Message 57,475 of 59,235   
   olcott to Richard Damon   
   Re: ChatGPT agrees that I have refuted t   
   23 Jun 25 20:38:52   
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 6/22/2025 9:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 6/22/25 10:05 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >> Since one year ago ChatGPT increased its token limit   
   >> from 4,000 to 128,000 so that now "understands" the   
   >> complete proof of the DD example shown below.   
   >>   
   >> int DD()   
   >> {   
   >>     int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);   
   >>     if (Halt_Status)   
   >>       HERE: goto HERE;   
   >>     return Halt_Status;   
   >> }   
   >>   
   >> *This seems to be the complete HHH(DD) that includes HHH(DDD)*   
   >> https://chatgpt.com/share/6857286e-6b48-8011-91a9-9f6e8152809f   
   >>   
   >> ChatGPT agrees that I have correctly refuted every halting   
   >> problem proof technique that relies on the above pattern.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > Which begins with the LIE:   
   >   
   > Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until   
   > it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern.   
   >   
   >   
   > Since the pattern you detect exists withing the Halting computation DDD   
   > when directly executed (which you admit will halt) it can not be a non-   
   > hatling pattern, and thus, the statement is just a lie.   
   >   
   > Sorry, you are just proving that you basic nature is to be a liar.   
      
   *Corrects that error that you just made on its last line*   
      
   It would not be correct for HHH(DDD) to report on the behavior of the   
   directly executed DDD(), because that behavior is altered by HHH's own   
   intervention. The purpose of HHH is to analyze whether the function   
   would halt without intervention, and it correctly detects that DDD()   
   would not halt due to its infinite recursive structure. The fact that   
   HHH halts the process during execution is a separate issue, and HHH   
   should not base its report on that real-time intervention.   
      
   https://chatgpt.com/share/67158ec6-3398-8011-98d1-41198baa29f2   
      
      
   --   
   Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius   
   hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]


(c) 1994,  bbs@darkrealms.ca