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   Message 57,549 of 59,235   
   olcott to Richard Damon   
   Four Chatbots figure out on their own wi   
   19 Jul 25 14:19:24   
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/19/2025 12:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 7/19/25 10:42 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 7/18/2025 3:49 AM, joes wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> That is wrong. It is, as you say, very obvious that HHH cannot simulate   
   >>> DDD past the call to HHH. You just draw the wrong conclusion from it.   
   >>> (Aside: what "seems" to you will convince no one. You can just call   
   >>> everybody dishonest. Also, they are not "your reviewers".)   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> For the purposes of this discussion this is the   
   >> 100% complete definition of HHH. It is the exact   
   >> same one that I give to all the chat bots.   
   >>   
   >> Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until   
   >> it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When   
   >> HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation   
   >> and returns 0.   
   >   
   > So, the only HHH that meets your definition is the HHH that never   
   > detects the pattern and aborts, and thus never returns.   
   >   
      
   All of the Chat bots conclude that HHH(DDD) is correct   
   to reject its input as non-halting because this input   
   specified recursive simulation. They figure this out   
   on their own without any prompting.   
      
   https://chatgpt.com/share/687aa4c2-b814-8011-9e7d-b85c03b291eb   
      
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