XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/21/2025 3:38 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:   
   > Op 20.jul.2025 om 17:18 schreef olcott:   
   >> On 7/20/2025 2:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:   
   >>> Op 19.jul.2025 om 21:19 schreef olcott:   
   >>>> On 7/19/2025 12:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/19/25 10:42 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 7/18/2025 3:49 AM, joes wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That is wrong. It is, as you say, very obvious that HHH cannot   
   >>>>>>> simulate   
   >>>>>>> DDD past the call to HHH. You just draw the wrong conclusion from   
   >>>>>>> it.   
   >>>>>>> (Aside: what "seems" to you will convince no one. You can just call   
   >>>>>>> everybody dishonest. Also, they are not "your reviewers".)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion this is the   
   >>>>>> 100% complete definition of HHH. It is the exact   
   >>>>>> same one that I give to all the chat bots.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until   
   >>>>>> it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When   
   >>>>>> HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation   
   >>>>>> and returns 0.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So, the only HHH that meets your definition is the HHH that never   
   >>>>> detects the pattern and aborts, and thus never returns.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> All of the Chat bots conclude that HHH(DDD) is correct   
   >>>> to reject its input as non-halting because this input   
   >>>> specified recursive simulation. They figure this out   
   >>>> on their own without any prompting.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/687aa4c2-b814-8011-9e7d-b85c03b291eb   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I just read a news item where an AI told that bread with shit is a   
   >>> nice desert. So, we know what a proof by AI means.   
   >>   
   >> That would be a detectable error.   
   >>   
   >> There is no detectable error in the above link   
   >> pertaining to the correct return value of HHH(DDD).   
   >>   
   >   
   > Errors have been detected in the input for the chat-box and pointed out   
   > to you.   
   > E.g., that ' HHH simulates its input until it detects a non-terminating   
   > behaviour pattern' contradicts 'When HHH detects such a pattern it   
   > aborts its simulation and returns 0'.   
      
   void Infinite_Recursion()   
   {   
      Infinite_Recursion();   
   }   
      
   void Infinite_Loop()   
   {   
      HERE: goto HERE;   
      return;   
   }   
      
      
   Sure and we know that you are correct because the   
   correct simulation of Infinite_Recursion() and   
   Infinite_Loop() would eventually reach their "return"   
   statement and terminate normally if we just wait   
   long enough.   
      
      
   > When HHH aborts, the simulated HHH does as well, so the case that the   
   > such a HHH would correctly detect non-termination does not exists.   
   >   
   > When feeding a chatbox with contradicting input, it is no surprise to   
   > see invalid conclusion.   
      
      
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