XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/27/2025 9:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 7/27/25 8:20 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 7/27/2025 7:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>> On 7/27/25 5:46 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>> On 7/27/2025 4:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/27/25 4:28 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 7/27/2025 2:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 7/27/25 9:50 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 7/27/2025 6:11 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 7/26/25 10:43 PM, olcott wrote:>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> When HHH(DDD) simulates DDD it also simulates itself   
   >>>>>>>>>> simulating DDD because DDD calls HHH(DDD).   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> But can only do that if HHH is part of its input, or it is not   
   >>>>>>>>> simulating its input.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And, it FAILS at simulating itself, as it concludes that   
   >>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD) will never return, when it does.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> This ChatGPT analysis of its input below   
   >>>>>>>> correctly derives both of our views. I did   
   >>>>>>>> not bias this analysis by telling ChatGPT   
   >>>>>>>> what I expect to see.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)();   
   >>>>>>>> int HHH(ptr P);   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> void DDD()   
   >>>>>>>> {   
   >>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);   
   >>>>>>>>    return;   
   >>>>>>>> }   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> int main()   
   >>>>>>>> {   
   >>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);   
   >>>>>>>>    DDD();   
   >>>>>>>> }   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its   
   >>>>>>>> input until:   
   >>>>>>>> (a) It detects a non-terminating behavior pattern then it aborts   
   >>>>>>>> its simulation and returns 0,   
   >>>>>>>> (b) Its simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement   
   >>>>>>>> then it returns 1.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/688521d8-e5fc-8011-9d7c-0d77ac83706c   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Just proves that you have contaminated the learning with false   
   >>>>>>> idea about programs.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I made sure that ChatGPT isolates this conversation   
   >>>>>> from everything else that I ever said. Besides telling   
   >>>>>> ChatGPT about the possibility of a simulating termination   
   >>>>>> analyzer (that I have proved does work on some inputs)   
   >>>>>> it figured out all the rest on its own without any   
   >>>>>> prompting from me.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You CAN'T totally isolate it. You can tell it to not use what you   
   >>>>> have told it previously (which you did not do),   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ChatGPT remember prior conversations   
   >>>> is turned off   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My Account   
   >>>>   Settings   
   >>>>    Personalization   
   >>>>     Memory   
   >>>>      Reference saved memories   
   >>>> This is important because I need to know the   
   >>>> minimum basis that it needs to understand what   
   >>>> I said so that I can know that I have no gaps   
   >>>> in my reasoning.   
   >>>   
   >>> But that setting isn't perfect.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> but anything said to the AI, has a chance of being recorded and   
   >>>>> used for future training.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> During periodic updates.   
   >>>   
   >>> And you have been posting your lies on usenet, which is a source of   
   >>> training, for awhile.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Just think, you might be the one responsible for providing the lies   
   >>>>> that future AIs have decided to accept ruining the chance of some   
   >>>>> future breakthrough.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The above input that I provided has zero falsehoods.   
   >>>> ChatGPT figured out all of the reasoning from that   
   >>>> basis.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> But. not full definitions, like the fact that a given program on a   
   >>> given input will always do the same thing.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> When DDD is emulated by HHH it must emulate   
   >> DDD calling itself in recursive emulation.   
   >>   
   >> When DDD is emulated by HHH1 it need not emulate   
   >> itself at all.   
   >   
   > But "itself" doesn't matter to x86 instructions,   
   By itself I mean the exact same machine code bytes   
   at the exact same machine address.   
      
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