XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/27/2025 7:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 7/27/25 5:46 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 7/27/2025 4:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>> On 7/27/25 4:28 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>> On 7/27/2025 2:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/27/25 9:50 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 7/27/2025 6:11 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 7/26/25 10:43 PM, olcott wrote:>>   
   >>>>>>>> When HHH(DDD) simulates DDD it also simulates itself   
   >>>>>>>> simulating DDD because DDD calls HHH(DDD).   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But can only do that if HHH is part of its input, or it is not   
   >>>>>>> simulating its input.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And, it FAILS at simulating itself, as it concludes that HHH(DDD)   
   >>>>>>> will never return, when it does.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> This ChatGPT analysis of its input below   
   >>>>>> correctly derives both of our views. I did   
   >>>>>> not bias this analysis by telling ChatGPT   
   >>>>>> what I expect to see.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)();   
   >>>>>> int HHH(ptr P);   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> void DDD()   
   >>>>>> {   
   >>>>>>    HHH(DDD);   
   >>>>>>    return;   
   >>>>>> }   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> int main()   
   >>>>>> {   
   >>>>>>    HHH(DDD);   
   >>>>>>    DDD();   
   >>>>>> }   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input   
   >>>>>> until:   
   >>>>>> (a) It detects a non-terminating behavior pattern then it aborts   
   >>>>>> its simulation and returns 0,   
   >>>>>> (b) Its simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement   
   >>>>>> then it returns 1.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/688521d8-e5fc-8011-9d7c-0d77ac83706c   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Just proves that you have contaminated the learning with false idea   
   >>>>> about programs.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I made sure that ChatGPT isolates this conversation   
   >>>> from everything else that I ever said. Besides telling   
   >>>> ChatGPT about the possibility of a simulating termination   
   >>>> analyzer (that I have proved does work on some inputs)   
   >>>> it figured out all the rest on its own without any   
   >>>> prompting from me.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You CAN'T totally isolate it. You can tell it to not use what you   
   >>> have told it previously (which you did not do),   
   >>   
   >> ChatGPT remember prior conversations   
   >> is turned off   
   >>   
   >> My Account   
   >>   Settings   
   >>    Personalization   
   >>     Memory   
   >>      Reference saved memories   
   >> This is important because I need to know the   
   >> minimum basis that it needs to understand what   
   >> I said so that I can know that I have no gaps   
   >> in my reasoning.   
   >   
   > But that setting isn't perfect.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> but anything said to the AI, has a chance of being recorded and used   
   >>> for future training.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> During periodic updates.   
   >   
   > And you have been posting your lies on usenet, which is a source of   
   > training, for awhile.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Just think, you might be the one responsible for providing the lies   
   >>> that future AIs have decided to accept ruining the chance of some   
   >>> future breakthrough.   
   >>   
   >> The above input that I provided has zero falsehoods.   
   >> ChatGPT figured out all of the reasoning from that   
   >> basis.   
   >>   
   >   
   > But. not full definitions, like the fact that a given program on a given   
   > input will always do the same thing.   
   >   
      
   When DDD is emulated by HHH it must emulate   
   DDD calling itself in recursive emulation.   
      
   When DDD is emulated by HHH1 it need not emulate   
   itself at all.   
      
   Everyone here has pretended to be to fucking stupid   
   to see that for three fucking years thus providing   
   sufficient evidence that they are all damned liars.   
      
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