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|    olcott to Richard Damon    |
|    Re: Who is telling the truth here? HHH(D    |
|    31 Jul 25 19:18:36    |
      XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic       From: polcott333@gmail.com              On 7/31/2025 7:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:       > On 7/31/25 11:50 AM, olcott wrote:       >> *We are only addressing this one point in this thread*       >>       >> On 7/29/2025 11:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:       >> > It is a lack of technical ability on your       >> > part which is unable to judge whether such       >> > a correct simulation is possible. Everybody       >> > else sees that it is not, so further questions       >> > about it are non-sensical.       >>       >> HHH emulates DDD in a separate process context. When       >> this DDD calls HHH(DDD) the original HHH emulates this       >> HHH in the DDD process context.       >       > And that separate proccess, if left unaborted, would halt. But HHH gives       > up and aborts it, so the process is Halting, not non-halting.       >       >>       >> This emulated HHH creates yet another process context       >> to emulate its own DDD. When this DDD calls yet another       >> HHH(DDD) this provides enough execution trace that the       >> repeating pattern can be seen.       >       > But the pattern isn't non-halting by the fact that DDD is shown to be       > halting.       >              *No not at all. Not in the least little bit*       Recursive simulation is only a little more difficult       than self recursion. Do you understand self-recursion?       What is the classic example of self-recursion?              When N instructions of DDD are correctly emulated by       every HHH that can possibly exist       (technically this is an infinite set of HHH/DDD pairs)       no emulated DDD can possibly halt and every directly       executed DDD() halts.                     --       Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius       hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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