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   olcott to Fred. Zwarts   
   Re: Who is telling the truth here? HHH(D   
   04 Aug 25 08:38:31   
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/4/2025 7:33 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:   
   > Op 02.aug.2025 om 16:17 schreef olcott:   
   >> On 8/2/2025 4:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:   
   >>> Op 01.aug.2025 om 16:54 schreef olcott:   
   >>>> On 8/1/2025 2:11 AM, joes wrote:   
   >>>>> Am Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:03:15 -0500 schrieb olcott:   
   >>>>>> On 7/31/2025 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 7/31/25 8:18 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2025 7:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 7/31/25 11:50 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And that separate proccess, if left unaborted, would halt. But HHH   
   >>>>>>>>> gives up and aborts it, so the process is Halting, not non-   
   >>>>>>>>> halting.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> But the pattern isn't non-halting by the fact that DDD is shown   
   >>>>>>>>> to be   
   >>>>>>>>> halting.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> but since it is only finite recursion of partial simulation,   
   >>>>>>> since the   
   >>>>>>> first level WILL abort the process and end the recursion.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> When N instructions of DDD are correctly emulated by every HHH that   
   >>>>>>>> can possibly exist (technically this is an infinite set of HHH/DDD   
   >>>>>>>> pairs) no emulated DDD can possibly halt and every directly   
   >>>>>>>> executed   
   >>>>>>>> DDD() halts.   
   >>>>>>> Wrong, your problem is you forget that all those DDD are different,   
   >>>>>> It is an infinite set with every HHH/DDD pair having the same   
   >>>>>> property   
   >>>>>> that each DDD cannot possibly halt.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Sure, but what about different HHH_n's simulating the same DDD?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> _DDD()   
   >>>> [00002192] 55         push ebp   
   >>>> [00002193] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   
   >>>> [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192  // push DDD   
   >>>> [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2  // call HHH   
   >>>> [0000219f] 83c404     add esp,+04   
   >>>> [000021a2] 5d         pop ebp   
   >>>> [000021a3] c3         ret   
   >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Each element of the infinite set of HHH/DDD pairs   
   >>>> that emulates a natural number N number of instructions   
   >>>> of DDD never halts.   
   >>>   
   >>> Because HHH aborts prematurely,   
   >> Try to prove that and you will find that   
   >> your proof is incoherent or has glaring gaps.   
   >>   
   > That has been proven multiple times, but you close your eyes for it.   
      
   Show every single step of the execution trace of DDD   
   such that DDD simulated by HHH that never aborts reaches   
   its own machine address of [000021a3].   
      
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