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|    olcott to Fred. Zwarts    |
|    Re: Who is telling the truth here? HHH(D    |
|    06 Aug 25 06:39:03    |
      XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic       From: polcott333@gmail.com              On 8/6/2025 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:       > Op 06.aug.2025 om 05:47 schreef olcott:       >>       >> It corrects the error of the requirement that       >> a halt decider reports on its own behavior.       >>       >> "The contradiction in Linz's (or Turing's) self-referential       >> halting construction only appears if one insists that the       >> machine can and must decide on its own behavior, which is       >> neither possible nor required."       >>       >> https://chatgpt.com/share/6890ee5a-52bc-8011-852e-3d9f97bcfbd8       >>       >       > That seems to be one of your misunderstanding. A decider must report on       > the behaviour of its input, even if this behaviour resembles its own       > behaviour. That is very different from 'deciding on its own behaviour'.       *This is my correction*       Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.∞        if ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulated by Ĥ.embedded_H reaches        its simulated final halt state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩, and              Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn        if ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulated by Ĥ.embedded_H cannot possibly        reach its simulated final halt state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩.              *This is the original erroneous one*       Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.∞,        if Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts, and       Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn        if Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt.              *Lines two and four requires Ĥ.embedded_H to report on its own behavior*              --       Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius       hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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