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|    olcott to Kaz Kylheku    |
|    Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)    |
|    29 Oct 25 14:38:37    |
      [continued from previous message]              its own decider then it would not be a category error       to require that a halt decider provide the halt status       of UTM(D).              > That's just a stupidly convoluted version of what they are told       > under the standard Halting Problem, which informs them that for       > every halting decider, there are inputs for which it is wrong or       > nonterminating.       >       > You are not improving the standard halting problem and its theorem       > one iota; just vandalizing it with impertinent content and details.       >              I am proving that it has always been flat out incorrect.       Fools may still require the square root of a dead rabbit.              > Under your paradigm, a halting decider reports rubbish for some inputs,       > and is called correct; e.g. rejecting a halting input.       >              Under your program the square root of a dead rabbit       is not incorrect it is merely too difficult for       Turing machines.              > How is what you are doing different from calling a tail "leg",       > and claiming that canines are five-legged animals?       >       >> There       >> may be practical workarounds these are outside the scope       >> of the theoretical limits.       >       > I cannot think of any example of an engineering technique       > which overcomes theoretical limits.       >              It is a theoretical limit that no Truth predicate       can possibly exist when you don't exclude some       expressions of language as not bearers of truth.              Is the sentence: "what time is it?" true or false?       I just proved that no universal truth predicate exists       according to one definition of a truth predicate.              If a truth predicate is defined to return true       when an expression is true and false otherwise       then a truth predicate can be defined.              Gibberish_Nonsense = " foiwrml 34590sd sflp49dcvs"       True(Gibberish_Nonsense)==FALSE       True(~Gibberish_Nonsense)==FALSE              Now a consistent truth predicate exists.              > There are no workarounds for the undecidability of halting;       > you can only work within the limits not overcome them.       >       >> The halting problem has always been incorrect, so just       >> like ZFC eliminated Russell's Paradox I have eliminated       >> the halting problem.       >       > Only, you've not eliminated it sufficently far that wouldn't have to       > tell the halting decider client to accept reality?       >       > ZFC eliminating Russel's Paradox is a formal-system-level       > change.       >       > You're not changing the formal system; you are staying in       > the Turing Model.       >              I am pointing out that the halting problem requirement       that a halt decider determines that value of UTM(P)       is flat out incorrect when H(P) != UTM(D).              > Also, Russel's Paradox is nonsense. Whereas a program H       > deciding a program P which integrates H itself in some shape       > is not nonsense; it is constructible.       >              The halting problem is a much more subtle form of       the same error as requiring the square root of a dead cat.              > Get it? Russel's silly set cannot even be imagined, let alone       > constructedd.       >              They did imagine it for quite a few years until       ZFC noticed that it could not be coherently imagined.              > Failing test cases for halting can be constructed; they       > are real.       >       >       >                     --       Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius       hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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