XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/26/2025 9:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 12/26/25 8:54 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 12/26/2025 6:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>> On 12/25/25 11:51 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>> On 12/25/2025 10:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/25/25 10:37 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 12/25/2025 9:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 12/25/25 10:12 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Three different LLMs have been totally convinced   
   >>>>>>>> a total of 50 times, you just don't understand.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> LLM LIE, so are not reliable sources.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> *Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth*   
   >>>>>> "Any result that cannot be derived as a pure function   
   >>>>>>   of finite strings is uncomputable."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But Halting *IS* a "pure function of finite strings"   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And it is uncomputable   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not exactly. Usually ⟨M⟩ simulated by H == UTM(⟨M⟩)   
   >>>> Sometimes ⟨M⟩ simulated by H != UTM(⟨M⟩)   
   >>>   
   >>> Only if H doesn't CORRECTLY simulate (M).   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics   
   >> of C applied to the finite string input for   
   >> the N steps until H sees the repeating pattern.   
   >   
   > So, how does that differ from what the program actually does?   
   >   
      
   Ah great this is the first time that you didn't   
   just dodge that out of hundreds of times.   
      
   When-so-ever an input finite string ⟨M⟩ does not   
   cheat and call its own decider the input finite   
   string to H(⟨M⟩) is a valid proxy for UTM(⟨M⟩).   
      
      
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   "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
   
   reliably computable.

   
      
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