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   MitchAlsup to All   
   Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio wei   
   08 Sep 25 23:51:45   
   
   From: user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   George Neuner  posted:   
      
   > On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 10:59:50 +0200, David Brown   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >... For people who say they can distinguish CD audio from   
   > >AAC or other high bps compressed audio, and other "golden ears"   
   > >distinctions, it's a different matter - in double-blind tests, most fail   
   > >badly.  There are a great many factors involved in high-quality audio   
   > >reproduction - the basic sample rate is only one of them.   
   >   
   > That's true, but the basic sample rate does make a significant   
   > difference.  I don't know if it is true, but I have read that to   
   > /accurately/ reproduce a given note requires 10 to 11 harmonics: the   
   > primary note, 7 higher, and 2 to 3 lower.   
   >   
   > This means most notes will include sounds that are outside the range   
   > of (normal) human hearing, but you can still /feel/ these sounds [even   
   > the high ones] and miss them when they are absent.   
      
   Or when the reproduction of the harmonics is out-of-phase wrt the   
   harmonics of any live version of the same note.   
      
   > C8 (high C) on the piano is ~4186 Hz.  Assuming the need for the 7th   
   > higher harmonic - 29302 Hz - Nyquist would demand a minimum sampling   
   > rate of 58604/s to accurately reproduce C8.   
      
   While I can guarantee that I could not hear a 24 KHz pure sine wave tone;   
   I can guarantee that I can hear a phase shift of the 24 KHz harmonic of   
   the non-sinusoidal musical note at 6 KHz.   
      
   > In practice, unless you like orchestral, or certain folk or country,   
   > you are not likely to hear much difference between a CD and a decent   
   > quality compressed version of it.  But the CD itself is not a faithful   
   > reproduction of the live performance.   
   >   
   > And, of course, if you like orchestral you are more likely to be   
   > listening to vinyl rather than CD.  8-)   
      
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