From: EmailNullFile@nospicedham.voenflacbe.cpm   
      
   On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:30:29 +0100   
   Terje Mathisen  wrote:   
      
   > This is getting seriously OT, but any electrical engineer has to   
   > drive a Tesla instead.   
      
   (redirected any replies to alt.lang.asm)   
      
   Why?   
      
   My 100Hp (75Kw) ICE and 60Hp (45Kw) ICE do just fine in terms of   
   acceleration, i.e., more than sufficient for daily driving.  They are   
   both sufficient at transportation.  I.e., an EV is still a vehicle,   
   just like an ICE is a vehicle.  There is no fundamental advantage to an   
   EV over an ICE.   
      
   If you had said you don't need to change oil, or need coolant, or   
   change spark plugs, etc, as a reason to drive an EV, that would've made   
   some sense.  Or, if you had said, the torque acceleration is   
   fantastic, ...  Or, if you had said, to support reduction of the usage   
   of carbon emitting fossil fuels, ...    And, the elimination of engine   
   weight and the transmission somewhat offsets the additional weight of   
   batteries.   
      
   In fact, there are many disadvantages to EVs, e.g., can't take off-road   
   since there is no easy way to re-charge remotely, they take forever to   
   recharge, some states tax them with an extra upfront charge to   
   compensate for the lost tax revenue from reduced fuel sales, the   
   batteries explode and burn violently causing damage to roadways and   
   surrounding infrastructure, batteries are more expensive than the fuel   
   they replace and are heavier to lug around which wastes more energy,   
   and they only shift pollution from the automotive industry to the power   
   production industry, as the same amount of energy is required to move   
   the same amount of weight.  This doesn't take into account the immense   
   amount of destruction that mining for the rare earth minerals which are   
   used in energy dense batteries is causing to the environment.   
      
   On the other hand, numerous established car manufacturers have easily   
   and quickly produced EVs of various quality and price points that are   
   competitive with ICEs, unlike Tesla's which are only competitive with   
   luxury vehicles, so far.  Apparently, the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt are   
   both supposedly selling well.   
      
   IMO, Elon Musk made a critical error with Tesla.  His other companies   
   have advantages: transforming and innovative technologies.  They also   
   have minimal or no competition.  That isn't true of Tesla which is   
   competing against 35 or more automotive companies, some of which are   
   government subsidized, e.g., China and Germany.  Currently, Tesla has   
   little to no sales volume and excessively high costs of production.   
      
   > Here in Norway a Tesla costs between 1/3 and 1/2 of any comparable   
   > ICE car.   
   >   
      
   Why is that?  Is that due to government taxation?   
      
   Tesla's cost 10 times or more of a typical ICE car here (U.S.).   
      
   While most U.S. states offer tax credit for EVs, certain EVs are only   
   sold in certain states, e.g., California and Utah.   
      
      
   Rod Pemberton   
   --   
   North Korea is the proof that Soviet Russia and Communist China were   
   wrong.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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