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   rja.carnegie@gmail.com to Erland Sommarskog   
   Re: Some questions about relational inde   
   09 May 13 14:45:24   
   
   On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:26:41 UTC+1, Erland Sommarskog  wrote:   
   > (rja.carnegie@gmail.com) writes:   
   >   
   > > 2. Will SQL Server ever automatically create a separate statistics group   
   > >    on columns that are already the key of a clustered or nonclustered   
   > >    index?  And, if so, should I consider improving the index so that   
   > >    it provides a satisfactory statistics group, and, how can I do that?   
   >   
   > Not sure that I understand the question, but SQL Server always creates   
   > statistics on the index columns. I have never heard "statistics group"   
   > before, but maybe you mean multi-column statistics.   
      
   Thanks for your helpful advice.  I'd better clear up that point first:   
   if I execute "CREATE STATISTICS Erland ON Accounts(Balance)", what is   
   Erland?  That's to say, Erland is a what?  ;-)  I went back to the   
   SQL Server 2005 Books Online and found one or more pages that say   
   that Erland is "a statistics group (collection)" - usually with   
   all of those words.  But going by the SQL Server 2012 manual,   
   I should say "Erland are statistics".  In my own language, a name   
   usually belongs to a singular thing, something that there's one of.   
   But apparently SQL Server differs in this!  :-)   
      
   I'm feeling more confident now that if I create an Erland on a   
   column, SQL Server won't create another auto-stat Erland on the   
   same column - which is liable to happen while a user is waiting   
   for their query to run.  I don't know if it's important to   
   avoid that, but I'm more confident that my Erlands need to be   
   up-to-date, and for some reason that isn't always the case,   
   since performing "UPDATE STATISTICS" on every table improves   
   the queries.  I /assume/ that auto-stats only happen when   
   a query wants to read from a table, so, ...hmm, I suppose   
   that a table update statement reads /and/ writes.  And I was   
   looking today at a program that does that several times.   
   Okay.  I probably should have paid more attention to that.   
   Our database designs, you see, are baroque.  I think that's   
   the word?  Or a word that sounds like it?  ;-)   
      
   Well, my grand scheme includes (1) writing a stored procedure   
   that defines, say, ten or twenty indexes and statistics on a   
   table, but allows them to be created one by one, and,   
   (2) using the same interface to perform "index rebuild"   
   and "update statistics" on the target - that part isn't   
   done yet.  And this is where the table may be called   
   Student_2011, Student_2012, Student_2013, and may be in   
   database UserStuff01, UserStuff02, UserStuff03, and so on:   
   the interface stored procedure addresses that complexity.   
      
   I also want to avoid having the server do some of this meta-work   
   more than once.  Except that it deletes a lot of the data every   
   day and loads it in from where it came from again.  So, make that   
   "more than necessary".   
      
   So, I guess I'm going to need some or all of those features in my   
   tool, which may mean, writing the parts that I haven't written yet.   
      
   Alternatively, I may finally convince my boss that a lot of things   
   will run acceptably fast if they install a bigger, better server,   
   and the way that they pay for it is to let me go - as they say.   
      
   And then it won't be my problem any more.   
      
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