XPost: comp.databases.ibm-db2   
   From: jdbeyer@exit109.com   
      
   michael newport wrote:   
   >>Well, you need to get more experience with new stuff.  Doing the same   
   >>thing over in a different environment should give you an increased   
   >>appreciation of what you are doing, and what you could be doing.   
   >   
   >   
   > It did, and the similarities were all too obvious.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>That's not the fault of the product. That direct and proximate   
   >>>>responsibility falls on you for being a dinosaur. How much code have   
   >>>>you implemented with bulk binding? How much with the model clause?   
   >>>>How much with analytic functions? How many materialized views with   
   >>>>refresh logs?   
   >>>   
   >>>its answers the users needs.   
   >>>and it was written by the dealine.   
   >>>which meant my company got paid.   
   >>>although some of this money was then sent to Oracle to pay for the   
   >>>licence.   
   >>>if we had used Ingres we could have done the same job for less, or   
   >>>increased our profits.   
   >>   
   >>I used to work for a vendor of a product that worked on multiple   
   >>databases, including Ingres.  They dropped Ingres support due to lack   
   >>of interest from potential customers.  Are you sure whoever paid your   
   >>company would have been interested with Ingres?  Many products are   
   >>considered more desireable simply because they are more expensive.   
   >>Stupid, true, but the way of the world.   
   >   
   >   
   > I agree that CA sales and marketing were bad. But Ingres the product is not.   
   > CA also wasted time and money on speculative products like Jasmine and Opal.   
   > Linux / Apache / PHP have taken off because they are reliable and OpenSource.   
   > I predict the same for Ingres.   
   >   
   I would be curious what the advantages of Ingres might be over other free   
   (depending on exact usage) dbms's such as postgreSQL and MySQL. I know   
   that Ingres has been around since even before Oracle existed (late   
   1970s?). I suppose postgreSQL is a descendant of Ingres.   
      
   For desktop use, it probably matters little, though after fussing around   
   with a bunch of them, I chose to pay IBM for their DB2 UDB because it just   
   plain worked better and they seemed to follow standards (such as for   
   Embedded SQL) better than did Informix or postgreSQL did at the time I   
   tried them (mid to late 1990s).   
      
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