XPost: comp.databases.informix, comp.databases, comp.databases.ibm-db2   
   From: lsedels@us.ibm.com   
      
   Daniel,   
      
   I don't have any problem with you expressing your opinion. But I do have to set   
   the record straight.   
      
   What lack of security? DB2 uses the underlying OS for authentication security   
   and has the same internal object security that other rdbmses have. Can you   
   provide more specifics on what you mean by this and how it manifests itself in   
   the form of any issues?   
      
   Plenty of DB2 training classes. Take a look at the IBM Education schedules.   
      
   There are some very good DB2 books published on DB2. Do we need tons of them by   
   different authors each serving the same purpose?   
      
   What makes you think that you need a compiler on a production box? I do not   
   think that is accurate.   
      
   And as far as the third-party tools and applications, I can't believe you took   
   a   
   swat at that one. There were something like > 40000 last time I checked.   
      
   Your points are sometimes well-taken. With all due respect, these had some   
   significant inaccuracies.   
      
   Larry Edelstein   
      
   Daniel Morgan wrote:   
      
   > Mark A wrote:   
   >   
   > >    
   > >   
   > >DB2 is good on Unix, Linux, and Windows also. DBA's don't like DB2 because   
   > >it takes fewer of them to operate and they think there are more Oracle jobs   
   > >in the marketplace.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > Couldn't possibly be the lack of security without Tivoli or other   
   > similar products?   
   > Couldn't possibly be the lack of training classes?   
   > Couldn't possibly be the lack of books?   
   > Couldn't possibly be the fact that you need a C compiler on a production   
   > box?   
   > Couldn't possibly be the lack of third-party tools and applications?   
   > Couldn't possibly be ....   
   >   
   > And this from someone with 10+ years of DB2.   
   >   
   > In short ... there are plenty of reasons why someone might not like DB2.   
   > Which does not mean I am one of them. But rather to try to pin it on   
   > DBAs is a bit of a farse. Oracle, itself, is currently redesigning the   
   > DBA's roles and responsibilities to be less RDBMS management and more   
   > and more integration with application servers and other components. The   
   > idea that Oracle is hard to manage is just a repetition of mythology: It   
   > is no longer true. Just as many things about DB2 that were true five   
   > years ago are no longer true.   
   >   
   > --   
   > Daniel Morgan   
   > http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp   
   > http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp   
   > damorgan@x.washington.edu   
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