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   "Larry Edelstein"  wrote in message   
   news:3F6F3671.3E92F3D5@us.ibm.com...   
   > Peter,   
   >   
   > I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.   
   >   
   > No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ...   
   especially a serious one like the one you   
   > describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix   
   it!   
   >   
   > Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this   
   escalated for you ... but you have not   
   > provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM   
   has not listened to you or isn't willing to   
   > do anything about this.   
   >   
   > I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that   
   this didn't really happen. This will be my   
   > last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details   
   and/or more information.   
   >   
   > Larry Edelstein   
   >   
   > Peter wrote:   
   >   
   > > Hi Larry!   
   > >   
   > > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of   
   every   
   > > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call   
   consultant.   
   > > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.   
   > >   
   > > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release   
   crash   
   > > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the   
   code.   
   > >   
   > > Peter   
   > >   
   > > Larry Edelstein  wrote in message   
   news:<3F6C831C.F45A9D85@us.ibm.com>...   
   > > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years   
   who have never experienced this problem.   
   > > >   
   > > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are   
   you afraid of? At this point, I must   
   > > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to   
   provide evidence.   
   > > >   
   > > > Larry Edelstein   
   > > >   
   > > > Peter wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > Hi Larry!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should   
   not   
   > > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than   
   Microsoft   
   > > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem   
   that was   
   > > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market   
   before that.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on   
   one   
   > > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and   
   when   
   > > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply   
   forgets   
   > > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and   
   forgetting   
   > > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both.   
   As   
   > > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor   
   developers   
   > > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with   
   > > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;   
   there is   
   > > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one   
   condition   
   > > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Peter   
   > > > >   
   > > > > "Neil Truby"  wrote in message   
   news:...   
   > > > > > "Daniel Morgan"  wrote in message   
   > > > > > news:1064018434.923612@yasure...   
   > > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really   
   believe what   
   > > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of   
   a   
   > > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate   
   their   
   > > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering   
   courses?   
   > > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut   
   a   
   > > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was   
   made on   
   > > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the   
   World   
   > > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel!   
   >   
      
   Larry,   
   While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not   
   understand what you mean.   
      
   Peter,   
   What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more information.   
   If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any   
   further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to do   
   much for you.  So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in your   
   environment.  Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is running on   
   and if possible the version of DB2?  What would be very nice is what steps   
   you have to perform to cause this crash.  If you can't even tell us these   
   things then it calls into question your integrity.   
   Jim   
      
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