From: fbortel@nescape.net   
      
   jackknife wrote:   
      
   > Frank  wrote in message news:...   
   >   
   >>Hans Forbrich wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>Have you checked Oracle's CASE  tool (Designer) which is part of the   
   >>>Developer Suite?   
   >>>   
   >>>This stuff sounds familiar.  If I understood your description, this   
   >>>model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer   
   >>>has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!   
   >>   
   >>Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the   
   >>Designer class as well, iirc   
   >>And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle   
   >>tools, doens't it?   
   >   
   >   
   > Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"   
   > Hehe!   
   >   
   > I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job   
   > done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global   
   > picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.   
   >   
   > Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good   
   > experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other   
   > similar tools?   
   >   
   > Thanks!!   
   >   
   > mACHnIFE   
   I used to work for Oracle in Designer Support - so I'm hardly unbiased.   
   Steep learning curve indeed, as it tries to do it all.   
   Have been working with TI's IEF in the early 90's, which used a similar   
   way of drawing ERD's. IEF was an upper/lower case tool to, geared   
   towards mainframes.   
      
   The main problem with Designer has always been the drive to add new   
   functionality, instead of getting the bugs out - which I find generally   
   true for this industry.   
   --   
   Regards, Frank van Bortel   
      
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