From: rgaffuri@cox.net   
      
   if Siebel is this hostile, why do people buy their product? Are there   
   competing products?   
   "Daniel Roy"  wrote in message   
   news:3722db.0401081343.4d880148@posting.google.com...   
   > >   
   > > Daniel, what about using the outline feature to provide optimizer   
   > > hints without touching the vendor code?   
   > >   
   > > HTH -- Mark D Powell --   
   >   
   > I heard of a Siebel project where they implemented this suggestion,   
   > and it worked OK. I'm not sure if it was "approved" by Siebel or not.   
   > The problem with Siebel is that for any database change, if the Siebel   
   > guys have not heard of this feature, then instead of saying "That   
   > sounds great, let's try it!", they become defensive and threaten to   
   > not support our Siebel if we implement that change. That creates a   
   > very closed-minded environment, where everyone is scared to do   
   > anything. The only time that they agree to make any change is when the   
   > application is so slow that all the users are complaining non-stop.   
   >   
   > Daniel   
      
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