From: forbrich@spam_telus.net   
      
   Daniel Roy wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Daniel, what about using the outline feature to provide optimizer   
   > > hints without touching the vendor code?   
   > >   
   > > HTH -- Mark D Powell --   
   >   
   > I heard of a Siebel project where they implemented this suggestion,   
   > and it worked OK. I'm not sure if it was "approved" by Siebel or not.   
   > The problem with Siebel is that for any database change, if the Siebel   
   > guys have not heard of this feature, then instead of saying "That   
   > sounds great, let's try it!", they become defensive and threaten to   
   > not support our Siebel if we implement that change. That creates a   
   > very closed-minded environment, where everyone is scared to do   
   > anything. The only time that they agree to make any change is when the   
   > application is so slow that all the users are complaining non-stop.   
   >   
   > Daniel   
      
   Sounds like they took a page out of the SAP book.  "You can't change it   
   without our permission;  you can't discuss it without out permission;   
   you can't ..."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)