From: gogala.mladen@gmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:23:17 +1100, Noons wrote:   
      
   > On 17/12/2016 3:26 @wiz, Mladen Gogala wrote:   
   >   
   >> At the same time, the relevant information is getting more and more   
   scant   
   >> and hard to find. Oracle is getting more and more closed every day.   
   >   
   > I hear the Oracle-L "damagement" desperately asked you to rejoin.   
   > Amazing how honest they are, isn't it?  One moment they want everyone   
   > not toeing the line out, the next they all change their opinion once   
   > Nuno has left.  Wonders will never cease!   :)   
   >   
   > Ah well, it's all part of making information available to everyone   
   > provided that does not include "recalcitrants".  As if...   
   > Good thing the original author of the thing is now out of Oracle: it   
   > might change their direction.  Or rather make it worse.  Too soon to   
   call.   
      
   I rejoined, that is true, but my activity is very much toned down. The   
   plain truth is that the list is no longer very interesting. I am not   
   towing the line and I never will. My impression from the list is that   
   Oracle is trying to turn itself into a church, from being a corporation.   
   They are treating the dissenters like heretics.   
      
   Nobody from the list's early days is active any more. Even Jonathan, for   
   whom I have all the respect in the world, has very much toned down his   
   activity on the list. The big news is that the activity on the list will   
   count as a good deed from Oracle ACE directors. I can assure you of one   
   thing: I will never become an Oracle ACE. The reason is very simple:   
   Oracle ACE title is, basically, a title of an auxiliary Oracle sales   
   person, sales militia, if you want. If I will be selling Oracle, I want   
   to get paid.   
   The reason for my rejoining was to give an appropriate farewell to Steve   
   Adams. The mission is now accomplished and I no longer care about the   
   list. Steve has ruined it, for everybody. Current "leading members" are   
   continuing his good work.   
   Unfortunately, I don't think that Oracle itself is very interesting any   
   longer. That is the reason why the list is dying and why this group is   
   dying.   
      
      
      
      
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   Mladen Gogala   
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