XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-02-02 05:16, Marion wrote:   
   > On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 20:54:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :   
   >   
   >   
   >>> The editor has no clue that you just swapped out the sd card to a new   
   >>> one!   
   >>> But, of course, the editor has to prior be aware of storage on the sd   
   >>> card.   
   >>   
   >> I don't use editors on phone nor tablet.   
   >   
   > Hi Carlos,   
   >   
   > If you don't ever use editors on a mobile device, then that's unusual.   
   > Most people experience using editors on a mobile device, even if you don't.   
   >   
   > But I find it hard to believe you don't use editors on a mobile device.   
   >   
   > You don't use offline maps for example? Really? Seriously?   
   > How do you navigate using your phone when there is no Internet signal?   
      
   Till today I had no idea you were talking of map editors. I was thinking   
   text editors.   
      
   No, I do not use map editors on my phone, either. I use map apps that   
   view the map, not edit them.   
      
      
   >   
   > Offline map editors are just one type of editor on an Android phone.   
   > I, for one, do a lot of editing on an Android phone.   
   >   
   > Another editor is Keepass2Android. There are plenty of Android editors.   
   > Most (if not almost all) my private data is stored on the sd card.   
      
   I don't "edit" my password file on the phone.   
      
      
   >   
   >> And, my editor by default inserts photos inside the document file.   
   >   
   > Photo editors are a different breed of app when it comes to "finding" their   
   > files. I'm not sure *how* media is handled differently than, oh, say, text   
   > files such as GPX files or PDF files or whatever - but there is some   
   > "magic" on a phone that seems to find all media, no matter where it is.   
   >   
   > So media (such as images & video) I think is a special case in this regard.   
   >   
   > That is, even if you changed the volume name (aka volume label) of your sd   
   > card, the image & video editors still seem to *find* the sd card files.   
   >   
   > If those on this newsgroup can edify us as to why that magic only works for   
   > media files, and not for, oh, say, text files (such as GPX files), please   
   > elucidate why other formats (such as PDF, gpx, kml, etc.) aren't easily   
   > found.   
      
   Because "editor" to me is a text editor, and I was thinking of the one I   
   use, Libre Office Writer. Ok, a word processor. If I have to edit pure   
   plain text files they are just a few kilobytes in size.   
      
      
   >   
   >> I can link to external photos, but then, as I use Linux, I would use   
   >> relative paths or symlinks.   
   >   
   > I love your suggestion of symlinks, but as I painstakingly explained,   
   > nobody yet has proposed a way to do it that I know of, for Android.   
   >   
      
   Your question is posted to the editors group, and to the windows group,   
   so I don't have to limit my thinking to Android.   
      
      
   > If you can get symlinks to work on the sdcard for Android, you'd be a far   
   > more intelligent man than I am, so I'll patiently await how you do it.   
   >   
   >> Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage. I edit in main   
   >> storage in the computer, then copy the result over to flash media if   
   >> needed.   
   >   
   > Hmm... how do you edit GPX or KML files?   
      
   I don't.   
      
   I thought you were talking of text files.   
      
   > Do you copy them from the sd storage to main storage just to edit them?   
   > Why?   
      
   Because the wear in flash cards is limited, and using an editor in such   
   media stresses them.   
      
   >   
   >>> I feel sorry for people who don't have Android phones with sd card   
   >>> slots.   
   >>> Because if they want to double their portable storage, they can't.   
   >>   
   >> I haven't had that need in over a decade.   
   >   
   > Hmm. If you have never done it, and if all your suggestions can't possibly   
   > work, why are you making those suggestions which have no hope of working?   
   >   
      
   Arlen, you have changed the goalposts. You never said you were not   
   talking of text editors till today.   
      
      
   >>> Ignoring that the Volume ID is not changeable by the user, and hence   
   >>> has no   
   >>> value to us in controlling how Android editors find their sd card   
   >>> files...   
   >>> To your point of being easily able to change the other two using Windows   
   >>> (or Linux), why would you want to change the Volume Serial Number?   
   >>> Is there some value that you see in doing that which I don't yet   
   >>> comprehend   
   >>> which makes doing so of value in terms of controlling Android file   
   >>> editors?   
   >>   
   >> Fooling Windows into thinking you have not changed computer. Windows   
   >> used that value for finding pirated copies.   
   >   
   > Hmm... you seem to be completely unaware of what the problem set is.   
   > The problem set is fooling Android. Specifically editors. By using Windows.   
      
   I'm sure that Windows has tools to change those values without   
   formatting the media, you just have to find them. I am a Linux guy, so I   
   know how to do that in Linux.   
      
   >> Also you need to write those values when cloning hard disks (or flash   
   >> media).   
   >   
   > Huh? Nobody is suggesting cloning. This solution only requires copying.   
      
   No, Arlen, I'm just giving an example of why the need to edit that   
   value. One that I have needed to do in the past. I'm not suggesting you   
   clone anything.   
      
      
   >   
   > Cloning, e.g., using dd, is a completely different issue altogether:   
   > sudo dd if=/dev/source_disk of=/dev/destination_disk bs=4M status=progress   
   >   
   >> Storage cards are formatted the same as a hard disk. They contain   
   >> partition tables, and all the identifiers of a hard disk and the   
   >> partitions inside. And all the tools Windows or Linux have available   
   >> for hard disks will work on them.   
   >   
   > Again, I love your suggestion of symlinks, which is the first thing anyone   
   > would think of, but if you can get symlinks to work on non-rooted Android   
   > for the sdcard, then you're a far more intelligent man than I am.   
   >   
   > Please let us know how you accomplished tasks which you keep suggesting.   
      
   You posted in three groups, the answers do not have to be limited to one   
   operating system. I said I never "edit" on Android. Meaning Libre Office   
   Writer, or Microsoft Word. You did not say till today that you were   
   editing maps in the woods without internet. And no, I never felt the   
   need to edit maps on the phone. I just view them with an app, typically   
   OSMand+.   
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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