From: musiphil@bawi.org   
      
   On 2012-01-27 15:30, Zeljko Vrba wrote:   
   > On 2012-01-26, Frank Birbacher  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> I think C++ is superior in this regard, because there exist actually   
   >> all the necessary libraries and you can even choose the best among   
   >> different vendors. This might not seem obvious to beginners or even   
   >> scare them away.   
   >>   
   > Damnation of choice.   
   >   
   > If a beginner asks "How can I start with Java", he will get one of three   
   > answers with 99% probability: "Download Netbeans / Eclipse / IntelliJ".   
   > Also, there exists an easy to find, authoritative source of "how to"   
   > information: Oracle's Java guides.   
   >   
   > If the beginner asks the same for C++, things get messy.  Let's say the   
   > beginner has overcome the hurdle of choosing and installing some C++   
   > environment and asks "How can I read data from a file?"  --  Where will   
   > you point him to?   
      
   Why don't I then simply suggest setting up GCC (on Unix-like systems) or   
   Visual Studio Express (on Windows), and reading Accelerated C++.   
   Would you like an official endorsement of such things by the standard   
   committee, or something like that?   
      
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