From: bop@gmb.dk   
      
   Martin B. wrote:   
   > On 30.01.2012 10:49, Zeljko Vrba wrote:   
   >> On 2012-01-29, Seungbeom Kim  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> Why don't I then simply suggest setting up GCC (on Unix-like   
   >>> systems) or Visual Studio Express (on Windows), and reading   
   >>> Accelerated C++. Would you like an official endorsement of such   
   >>> things by the   
   >>> standard committee, or something like that?   
   >>>   
   >> You have missed the point.  (...)   
   >>   
   >> ==   
   >>   
   >> (...)   
   >> I have watched Herb Sutter's video on "C++ renaissance" where he   
   >> argued that performance per dollar will be the driving factor and   
   >> where he argued that managed languages have a lot of unnecessary   
   >> overhead.  What he didn't address though is why managed languages   
   >> couldn't achieve the same performance levels. LISP compilers   
   >> already do in some cases, and LISP is far less structured language   
   >> with than Java and C#. So, I can't see C++ becoming competitive   
   >> again without some big   
   >> corporation backing it.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Well, MS *does* qualify as a big corporation, or don't they? :-)   
   >   
   > As far as I can interpret what MS/Herb Sutter are doing during the   
   > last time, it seems that with the success of mobile devices, they   
   > have decided that to be competitive, they can't -- currently -- push   
   > managed/.NET exclusively.   
   >   
   > So what they've done is renewed investment in their (extended) C++   
   > / COM technology stack (WinRT is based on a streamlined COM stack,   
   > as far as I can tell).   
   >   
   > While this is not "standard C++", it does raise hope that Visual   
   > Studio will get better (over the next few releases / next few   
   > years) at standard C++ also.   
   >   
      
   I remember 10 years ago when the new hot thing was "Managed C++".   
   Didn't help much.   
      
   Some of us had expected some C++98 support and were very disappointed.   
      
      
   To me, the new Visual C++ 11 looks a lot like Visual C++ 7.0   
   unfortunately, another disappointment.   
      
      
   Bo Persson   
      
      
      
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