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   Message 32,837 of 33,346   
   Seungbeom Kim to All   
   Re: iostream replacement   
   28 Jan 13 23:27:47   
   
   From: musiphil@bawi.org   
      
   On 2013-01-28 13:08, fmatthew5876 wrote:   
   >>> I think overloading the comma operator would be even more   
   >>> confusing. I'm not even sure why overloading this is allowed in   
   >>> the first place.   
   >>   
   >> I kinda disagree with this.  When you write text, you use comma to   
   >> separate items in a list.  It would be the same here:   
   >>   
   >>    cout, 1, 2, x, y, endl;   
   >   
   > This is even less visually pleasing. At least with << and >> there   
   > is some notion that things are being pushed onto or off of the   
   > stream. This looks like some kind of half written function call.   
   >   
   >> It's even simple to explain to a beginner: cout outputs a   
   >> comma-separated list of values; it's not even technically very   
   >> wrong since comma has lowest precedence of all operators. The only   
   >> ugly thing is the first comma (after cout).   
   >   
   > In terms of human textual representation, commas may look nice. The   
   > problem is the comma has a very specific meaning in C++. Overloading   
   > the comma operator is something that has very subtle implications   
   > that I don't think we want to force on everyone trying to print   
   > hello world.   
      
   Yes, indeed. Specifically, the comma operator is used to combine   
   multiple expressions into one, like this:   
      
        while (std::cout << count << '\n', count-- > 0) { ... }   
      
   If you substitute the comma operator for stream operations, the   
   meaning is silently changed and it becomes very tricky to get the   
   original meaning:   
      
        while (std::cout, count, '\n', count-- > 0) { ... }     // wrong   
      
        while ((std::cout, count, '\n'), count-- > 0) { ... }   // still wrong   
      
        // You need a cast!   
        while ((void)(std::cout, count, '\n'), count-- > 0) { ... }   
      
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