In article <66174655$1@news.ausics.net>, dxf   wrote:   
   >On 10/04/2024 8:38 pm, minforth wrote:   
   >> dxf wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 10/04/2024 5:34 pm, minforth wrote:   
   >>>> mhx wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Locals are completely OK if you want to get stuff done. I use them for   
   >>>>> the boring parts.   
   >>>> ...   
   >>>> I think the attitude of "programming to make the compiler happy i.e.   
   >>>> by stack juggling" is a waste of human resources. I can't remember a   
   >>>> single case where a performance bottleneck was fixed by switching   
   >>>> from a local to a non-local code formulation. The difference in speed,   
   >>>> if any, is simply too small.   
   >>   
   >>> To use forth's stack until such time as it becomes too much for one   
   >>> suggests a half-heartedness.  It begs the question why use forth at all   
   >>> if one is merely going to toy with it.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, of course it's entirely up to you if you don't fully utilise the   
   >> available possibilities of your tools.   
   >   
   >In calling locals 'a tool' or 'used for the boring stuff' I'd have the   
   >problem of explaining to colleagues how it is I can use a language in a   
   >way that its creator has dismissed as antithetical.   
   >   
   >> But I also suspect that your Forth   
   >> system has no locals at all.   
   >   
   >DX-Forth offers locals as a loadable option.  They're implemented   
   >efficiently so as to be credible.  I'm not aware of any user that has   
   >availed themselves of it.  Indeed I find they come to forth looking   
   >for something that's honestly unique and challenging.  To discover   
   >Moore still resolute after all these years provides their role model.   
   >   
      
   ciforth offers LOCAL  as a loadable option.   
   They are implemented without regard of efficiency.   
   Also they cannot be used recursively.   
      
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