From: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org   
      
   On 7/1/24 06:02, dxf wrote:   
   > On 1/07/2024 8:13 pm, Krishna Myneni wrote:   
   >> On 7/1/24 04:02, Ruvim wrote:   
   >>> On 2024-07-01 05:49, Krishna Myneni wrote:   
   >>>> On 6/30/24 15:37, minforth wrote:   
   >>>>> My "implementation-defined option" 0 SET-ORDER locks everyone out.   
   >>>>> Too bad if you and I are one of them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I want it that way. I don't like backdoors unless I created them   
   >>>>> on purpose.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If the community has no issue with retaining 0 SET-ORDER then the   
   standard's wording should be revised to say that the minimum search order is   
   the empty search order, i.e. zero wordlists.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Do you mean it's confusing that the search order can contain fewer word   
   lists than the implementation defined "minimum search order"?   
   >>>   
   >>> And if the term "minimum search order" is renamed to "small search order"   
   (as an example), will this solve the problem?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> I wonder if the original proposal for SET-ORDER meant to say "minimal"   
   instead of "minimum", for argument -1, thereby leading to the inference that   
   the words FORTH-WORDLIST and SET-ORDER always be present in the search order.   
   We need to check where    
   else in the standard the term "minimum search order" appears.   
   >>   
   >> For the specification of SET-ORDER with argument -1 replacing "minimum"   
   with "minimal" would avoid some confusion.   
   >   
   > In the rationale A.16 the phrase "default search order" is used along with   
   an explanation.   
   >   
      
   I'm searching at the Forth 2012 standard document and I don't find   
   "default search order" anywhere within it. Worse, I find the phrase,   
   "primitive search-order" used at the beginning of A.16, here and only   
   here. There is no explanation of what constitutes a primitive search order.   
      
   The phrase "minimum search order" is used five times in the document:   
   -- 16.4.1.1 Implementation-defined options   
   -- twice in the specification of SET-ORDER   
   -- twice in the specification of ONLY   
      
   In both the specification of SET-ORDER and ONLY, the standard states,   
   "The minimum search order shall include the words FORTH-WORDLIST and   
   SET-ORDER."   
      
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   Krishna   
      
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