In article <87zfnscypb.fsf@nightsong.com>,   
   Paul Rubin   wrote:   
   >Ruvim  writes:   
   >> Such dialects, or better said, descendants, already exist.   
   >> For example: Factor, StrongForth.   
   >>> Probably useless for embedded applications.   
   >> Agreed.   
   >   
   >Factor is sort of a Lisp dialect that is garbage collected, I think.  So maybe   
      
   I'd say factor is a Forth with lispy features, like garbage collecting.   
      
   >not great for embedded.  StrongForth, I thought, was like regular Forth but   
   >with a type system.  That shouldn't be a problem unless there are other   
   >issues.  Ada is strongly typed, and C++ is sort-of-strongly typed, and both   
   >are used in embedded apps all the time.   
      
   A strong type system is not a problem for embedded applications, as long   
   as there is a means to defeat the type system.   
   Ada was designed with this in mind, making distinction between safe and   
   unsafe modules. Remember that c++ was an afterthought after c that was   
   not well designed in the first place.   
      
   Strong typing can be annoying. I remember wasting time passing a filename   
   to function that expected a     `const char *` or something, and it is   
   by no means obvious what you have to do, so you are lured into casting.   
   A lot of people do not understand that casting is a means to defeat the   
   type system, so that you loose the advantages.   
      
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