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   dxf   wrote:   
   >On 23/11/2024 2:46 am, Buzz McCool wrote:   
   >> On 11/19/2024 9:48 AM, Buzz McCool wrote:   
   >>> ... Any other tips on word management would be appreciated.   
   >>   
   >> I found the "Forth Foundation Library": https://github.com/uho/ffl   
   >>   
   >> Is this still widely used? I ask since all the commits are over a decade   
   old.   
   >> ...   
   >   
   >AFAIK it was never widely used.  When the question as to why arose on c.l.f,   
   >everyone had an excuse as to why it didn't suit them.  The reluctance in   
   >Forth to use others' code goes all the way to Moore himself and extends to   
   >things such as the Standard.  Elizabeth comments on the phenomena here:   
   >   
   >https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/t7DjpOZkR9M/m/GZbK41I_NA4J   
   >   
      
   The library is bloated and cumbersome to use.   
   E.f. handling arguments runs over 500 lines and relies on 4 other files from   
   the package.   
   Compare this with handle arguments in ciforth, essentially one screen,   
   pulling in one screen for fetching c-strings:   
   ------------------------------------------------   
   ( ARGC ARGV ARG[] SHIFT-ARGS ENV       ) CF: ?LI \ AvdH B2sep21   
    "Z$@" WANTED   
   \ Return the NUMBER of arguments passed by Linux   
   : ARGC   ARGS @   @ ;   
   \ Return the argument VECTOR passed by Linux   
   : ARGV   ARGS @   CELL+ ;   
   \ Return the environment POINTER passed by Linux   
   : ENV ARGS @   $@ 1+ CELLS +  ;   
   \ Find argument INDEX, counting from one. Return as a STRING.   
   : ARG[] CELLS ARGV + @ Z$@ ;   
   \ Return POINTER behind the end-0 of the environment.   
   : ENV0 ENV BEGIN $@ WHILE REPEAT ;   
   \ Shift the arguments, so as to remove argument 1.   
   : SHIFT-ARGS  ARGV >R   
       R@ CELL+ CELL+   R@ CELL+  ENV0 R> -   MOVE   
       -1 ARGS @ +! ;   
   ------------------------------------------------   
   There is an other screen that is loaded by wina ( windows ciforth version)   
   that is totally different except for the interface, where the index line   
   reads:   
   ( ARG$ ARGC ARG[] SHIFT-ARGS   ) CF: ?WI        \ AvdH B1jul10   
      
   Maybe this library is tailored to ciforth, but it illustrates that   
   there are more practical ways. This approach make substantial programs   
   (ciasdis manx) portable over Linux and MS-Windows.   
      
   ciasdis was ported to Apple once with little problems.   
   I am interested to seeing ciasdis ported using the fll-library and ISO   
   compliance.   
      
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