From: dxforth@gmail.com
On 11/04/2025 9:10 pm, Hans Bezemer wrote:
> On 11-04-2025 04:19, dxf wrote:
>> On 10/04/2025 8:40 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> dxf wrote:
>>>> On 9/04/2025 9:28 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> I'm with Anton Ertl here. If you have a clear idea what has to be done,
>>>>> formulate it and send in a proposal. (But I'm as guilty as you
>>>>> regards other matters ...).
>>>>
>>>> Why must it be done? To please you? If the committee is satisfied with
>>>> the status quo nothing need be done. And that's what you're seeing.
>>>
>>> You must do it, because you are not satisfied with the standard.
>>
>> Chuck Moore might beg to differ.
>>
>> 'Matters of fact or truth or beauty cannot be voted on. They speak for
>> themselves.'
>>
>> If one sees truth of what's been said, one acts on it. To wait for
>> authority to tell one what to do indicates only subservience.
>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not aware anything was deleted.
>>
>
> A proposition can be true a priori (conceptual only, like every bachelor is
unmarried - even if I've never seen the guy). A fact is a state of actuality -
and hence can only be evaluated as true or false a posteriori, since such
proposition has to be
confronted with the real world to establish its "truth" value (in the words of
Wittgenstein - with a touch of Quine).
>
> In the eyes of John Locke beauty is a secondary quality - and hence (as the
saying goes) "in the eye of the beholder". You may establish it
ntersubjectively - but never objectively. Consequently, it cannot be "self
evident".
>
> So in short, no, you cannot vote on truth or fact (in spite of what
postmodernism claims), but you can most certainly vote on beauty.
Rarely is a vote on the truth or fact of a matter. Rather it's a vote on
action
to be taken in response to the alleged truth or fact. Insofar as there is no
compulsion to act, there is no compulsion to make propositions.
--- SoupGate-DOS v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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