From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at   
      
   albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:   
   >The real goal should be that if you are in a graphic Debian package   
   >manager, gforth should show up, if you search for forth.   
      
   And then what?  Get a slow Gforth package without documentation?  Sure   
   makes a good first impression.   
      
   BTW, I am not into Rust, and we have used Debian on our machines for   
   decades.  So when I recently had to install Rust on one of our   
   machines, I first thought that I would do it the Debian way, so we   
   first upgraded the machine to Debian 13, to also get a recent Rust.  Then   
   it was not so obvious how to proceed, so I went to rust-lang.org,   
   clicked on "Install" (so I was at   
   ); this first wanted to sell   
   rustup to me, but that's for installing it into a single account,   
   whereas I wanted to install it such that our students could use it   
   (and we would not have a 100 Rust installations clogging our SSD), so   
   I followed "Learn more" to   
   https://forge.rust-lang.org/infra/other-installation-methods.html, and   
   finally went for the Standalone installers, downloaded the stable   
   tar.xz for the platform, and installed it, which was pretty painless.   
      
   There is some Rust stuff in Debian, but obviously it was not the way   
   to get me to install Rust, despite first installing Debian (the   
   eventual way would probably also have worked with Debian 11).   
      
   >Even then, a student could introduce a   
   >certain aspect (say recognizers) from a version to the next.   
      
   Recognizers are a bad example.  Once you have the concepts worked out,   
   recognizers are easy to implement.  So either the student would have   
   to work out the concepts (and in that case come up with the project   
   themselves), like Matthias Trute has done (and my students have not),   
   or a student cannot help here.   
      
   >Exposure to the unwashed Debian users, will generate (a lot of)   
   >bug^H^H^Hdefects reports.   
      
   Not in my experience.  I actually receive the bug reports that Debian   
   gets for Gforth.  They are few, and most of those are specific to the   
   Debian package.  We get many more bug reports on the Gforth mailing   
   list, and also more on gforth's bug tracker.   
      
   - anton   
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