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   albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl to the.beez.speaks@gmail.com   
   Re: 8th ver 25.08 released   
   05 Nov 25 14:01:03   
   
   In article ,   
   Hans Bezemer   wrote:   
   >On 04-11-2025 13:10, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:   
   > > An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as   
   > > an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes   
   > > of professors.   
   >   
   >See the statistics pulled up in this and another post.   
   (By the way I was not speaking of life expectancy, but of impending wars.)   
   The Israel figures take into account only the "Herrenvolk", not   
   all the inhabitants of Israel. With ten thousands of babies and   
   toddlers killed, the average life expectancy surely drops significantly.   
   A substantial part of Israeli's have fled. Many of them have double   
   passports. There are many footnotes needed, to have an idea of how   
   you arrive at a reliable figure, if you take only the "Herrenvolk"   
   into account.   
      
   >   
   > > China is the mightiest military force and gaining strengths.   
   >   
   >US expenses: ~$1 trillion   
   >China expenses: ~$315 billion   
   >   
   >Although China has twice the cannon fodder, it is far less capable to   
   >project that power.   
      
   Cannon fodder doesn't count for much in present wars.   
   China doesn't want "project power" as the USA does in Venezuela.   
   Drones is the modern warfare.   
   Drone displays, thousands of them, replacing traditional fireworks,   
   displaying fighting dragons in the sky for Chinese newyear.   
   (See youtube).   
   The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.   
   There is a push to an all American drone to be used by the military.   
   Only a handful of manufactures were approved, the others were somehow   
   far in the supply chain dependant on China.   
      
   >   
   >Numerically, China's navy has the upper hand - but technologically the   
   >US has far more capable vessels - e.g. the US has *no* patrol vessels,   
   >*no* frigates and *barely* any mine warfare or corvettes.   
   >   
   >Combined these make up for 269 of the 314 vessels difference. Concerning   
   >air power there is no comparison.   
      
   Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times   
   the capacity of the United States. The United States needs the help of   
   Korea ship yard needed to build a war ship and changed laws to make   
   this possible.   
   The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they   
   built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.   
   The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over   
   budget. The excuse was that you couldn't  hire welders in the USA.   
      
   China builds air craft carriers three times as fast as the USA. The   
   latest aircraft carriers has 4 independant electrical launchers,   
   capable of launching the 5-generation jets and ,importantly, drones.   
   The first one was a try out and a training ship. The upcoming ones   
   are nuclear powered, and combined with the electrical launchers   
   they are more capable.   
      
   The development in China are fast. In 2015 the CIA-backed Uiygur-terrorist   
   could destabilise Xinjian. Now Xinjian is prosperous, 85% of the   
   cotton is picked mechanically, and they are producing these machines   
   themselves putting John Deer in the USA out of business.   
      
   The USA electrical attempts of carrier launchers are unreliable and   
   Trump pushes to get back to steam launchers but they are way slower   
   that electrical. The USA electrical launchers exhibits single point of   
   failure. If one fails the others fail too.   
   The steam launchers need a longer startup time, and longer time   
   between launches, they aren't delicate enough to launch   
   drones. The USA don't trust them enough to launch a F-35.   
   The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to   
   shoot down the latest French jet Rafale. The stealth   
   J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.   
   What is in the works is hidden.   
      
   Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates   
   that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.   
      
   >Since 40% of *ALL* all military expenditure is done by the US, that   
   >alone puts your statement up for discussion.   
      
   What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,   
   for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.   
   "The USA weapons industry makes money, the China weapons industry   
   makes weapons".)   
      
   Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most   
   capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.   
   Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed   
   ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and   
   lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast   
   and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for   
   Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was   
   dependant on USA, not any more.   
      
   >   
   >In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.   
   >Question everything. And even that.   
   Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to   
   question anything if you can't have the facts straight.   
      
      
   >   
   >Hans Bezemer   
   >   
      
   Groetjes Albert.   
   --   
   The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.   
   The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy   
   over 80 years, like Western Europe.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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