From: the.beez.speaks@gmail.com   
      
   On 05-11-2025 14:01, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:   
   > (By the way I was not speaking of life expectancy, but of impending wars.)   
   Well, quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement.   
      
   > With ten thousands of babies and toddlers killed, the average life   
   > expectancy surely drops significantly.   
   Gazans do not have a clear, singular legal status; they are considered   
   stateless by some international bodies but hold Palestinian Authority   
   (PA) passports, which are recognized internationally as travel documents   
   rather than proof of full citizenship in a sovereign state.   
      
   So - no Israeli citizens, hence no influence on the statistics.   
      
   However, the Knesset amended the Citizenship Law in 1980 to fully   
   resolve statelessness for this group of residents; all Arab residents   
   who had been living in Israel before 1948 were granted citizenship   
   regardless of their eligibility under the 1952 residence requirements,   
   along with their children. And that's the way it is.   
      
   You're not only talking nonsense, you're even not taking the trouble to   
   do your homework. Well, if you rather make a fool of yourself, be my guest.   
      
   > A substantial part of Israeli's have fled.   
   Quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement.   
      
   > Many of them have double   
   > passports.   
   Quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement. Note - I DO   
   quantify. Up to the very last Chinese patrol vessel. ;-)   
      
   C'mon - I can do this all night.   
      
   Hans Bezemer   
      
   >>   
   >>> China is the mightiest military force and gaining strengths.   
   >>   
   >> US expenses: ~$1 trillion   
   >> China expenses: ~$315 billion   
   >>   
   >> Although China has twice the cannon fodder, it is far less capable to   
   >> project that power.   
   >   
   > Cannon fodder doesn't count for much in present wars.   
   > China doesn't want "project power" as the USA does in Venezuela.   
   > Drones is the modern warfare.   
   > Drone displays, thousands of them, replacing traditional fireworks,   
   > displaying fighting dragons in the sky for Chinese newyear.   
   > (See youtube).   
   > The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.   
   > There is a push to an all American drone to be used by the military.   
   > Only a handful of manufactures were approved, the others were somehow   
   > far in the supply chain dependant on China.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Numerically, China's navy has the upper hand - but technologically the   
   >> US has far more capable vessels - e.g. the US has *no* patrol vessels,   
   >> *no* frigates and *barely* any mine warfare or corvettes.   
   >>   
   >> Combined these make up for 269 of the 314 vessels difference. Concerning   
   >> air power there is no comparison.   
   >   
   > Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times   
   > the capacity of the United States. The United States needs the help of   
   > Korea ship yard needed to build a war ship and changed laws to make   
   > this possible.   
   > The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they   
   > built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.   
   > The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over   
   > budget. The excuse was that you couldn't  hire welders in the USA.   
   >   
   > China builds air craft carriers three times as fast as the USA. The   
   > latest aircraft carriers has 4 independant electrical launchers,   
   > capable of launching the 5-generation jets and ,importantly, drones.   
   > The first one was a try out and a training ship. The upcoming ones   
   > are nuclear powered, and combined with the electrical launchers   
   > they are more capable.   
   >   
   > The development in China are fast. In 2015 the CIA-backed Uiygur-terrorist   
   > could destabilise Xinjian. Now Xinjian is prosperous, 85% of the   
   > cotton is picked mechanically, and they are producing these machines   
   > themselves putting John Deer in the USA out of business.   
   >   
   > The USA electrical attempts of carrier launchers are unreliable and   
   > Trump pushes to get back to steam launchers but they are way slower   
   > that electrical. The USA electrical launchers exhibits single point of   
   > failure. If one fails the others fail too.   
   > The steam launchers need a longer startup time, and longer time   
   > between launches, they aren't delicate enough to launch   
   > drones. The USA don't trust them enough to launch a F-35.   
   > The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to   
   > shoot down the latest French jet Rafale. The stealth   
   > J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.   
   > What is in the works is hidden.   
   >   
   > Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates   
   > that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.   
   >   
   >> Since 40% of *ALL* all military expenditure is done by the US, that   
   >> alone puts your statement up for discussion.   
   >   
   > What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,   
   > for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.   
   > "The USA weapons industry makes money, the China weapons industry   
   > makes weapons".)   
   >   
   > Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most   
   > capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.   
   > Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed   
   > ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and   
   > lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast   
   > and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for   
   > Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was   
   > dependant on USA, not any more.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.   
   >> Question everything. And even that.   
   > Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to   
   > question anything if you can't have the facts straight.   
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   >> Hans Bezemer   
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   > Groetjes Albert.   
      
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