From: the.beez.speaks@gmail.com   
      
   On 05-11-2025 14:01, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:   
   > The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.   
   AFAIK the equivalent of Starship blew up. They can't even replicate a   
   Falcon-9. And their efforts to replicate ASML machine was also an   
   embarrassing failure. Personally, I don't find TEMU and AliExpress not   
   very convincing either ;-)   
      
   But you can't build a case on anecdotal evidence. Every single scientist   
   knows that. It invites "cherry picking" fallacies.   
      
   > Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times   
   Actually, it is 232 times.   
      
   > The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they   
   > built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.   
   > The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over   
   > budget. The excuse was that you couldn't  hire welders in the USA.   
   Anecdotal evidence.   
      
   > The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to   
   > shoot down the latest French jet Rafale.   
   Anecdotal evidence   
      
   > The stealth   
   > J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.   
   > What is in the works is hidden.   
   I doubt it. There is no J-47. There is a J-35, a J-36 and a J-50. An   
   estimated number of 57 J-35 may be operational - or may be not. Or less.   
   The others are *NOT* operational.   
      
   > Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates   
   > that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.   
      
   Why build a whole slew of aircraft carriers or 6th generation jets when   
   they're all blown out of the sky in half an hour? Doesn't seem like a   
   viable strategy.   
      
   > What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,   
   > for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.   
      
   Actually, it does. The buying power (which is adjusted for such factors)   
   is almost on par between the two. And - as you stated yourself - the US   
   has proven to be capable to expand its production capacity dramatically   
   in WWII. Can it now? Anybodies guess.   
      
   But I'll give you another one. The US capacity for producing oil is   
   vastly superior to China. And the Ukrainians have proven this is of   
   vital importance. Given that the US has China practically surrounded   
   with military bases and assets in the region, it has the possibility to   
   target these resources massively and relatively cheaply.   
      
   Hans Bezemer   
      
   >   
   > Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most   
   > capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.   
   > Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed   
   > ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and   
   > lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast   
   > and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for   
   > Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was   
   > dependant on USA, not any more.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.   
   >> Question everything. And even that.   
   > Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to   
   > question anything if you can't have the facts straight.   
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   >> Hans Bezemer   
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   > Groetjes Albert.   
      
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