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   Anton Ertl to Buzz McCool   
   Re: Elegant CPUs   
   02 Dec 25 18:12:09   
   
   From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at   
      
   Buzz McCool  writes:   
   >Is there a particular CPU that shines in overall architectural elegance?   
      
   Elegance is for tailors:-)   
      
   If you look at RISC-V (e.g. the instructions in RV64GC), it shows a   
   certain minimalism compared to its competitors AMD64 and ARM A64.   
   That also shows in the size of the RISC-V manual compared to the   
   manuals of its competitors.   
      
   >Which microprocessor is closest to getting it all right? Is it just a   
   >matter of buying the latest available from ARM / Intel / AMD or are   
   >newer models using cores & kludges to gain performance whereas a system based   
   >on a 4.4Ghz Intel Pentium Gold 8505 is really the choice for someone who wants   
   >a brilliantly executed machine?   
      
   The Pentium 8505 is an Alder Lake U with half of it's P-cores and half   
   of its E-Cores disabled, and some of the cache, leaving 1 P-Core and 4   
   E-cores.  If you want the best performance, there are certainly a   
   number of microarchitectures by AMD, Apple, ARM, Intel, and Qualcomm   
   that compete for that spot and show fascinating feats in clock rate   
   and instructions per cycle (IPC), and the cores in the Pentium 8505   
   are not far behind; newer microarchitectures are better.  If you want   
   something small, maybe look for the ARM Cortex M0 or one of the small   
   RISC-V cores.   
      
   - anton   
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