From: dxforth@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/02/2026 6:24 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:   
   > dxf  writes:   
   > [reformatted to Usenet standards]   
   >   
   >> I get it but IMO f/p isn't something one simply LOADs - even if   
   >> Forth-94 sold it that way as a nod to minimalists.  With the   
   >> exception of folks like me (and perhaps you) who want to be able to   
   >> load a variety of f/p packs, f/p is there when one boots forth.   
   >   
   > SwiftForth before 4.0 (which was only released on 22-Oct-2025) does   
   > not include the FP wordset by default.  VFX Forth before release 5   
   > (released on 24 August 2018) does not include the FP wordset by   
   > default.   
      
   Yep.  VFX supported three different f/p packs and SwiftForth's single   
   (Win) f/p pack came with a variety of options.  This was flexibility   
   at the cost of the user knowing what he wanted.  Users could save   
   their choice to a new exe and have it available at bootup (though   
   maybe not on the demo versions).   
      
   > SwiftForth 4.x and VFX 5.x include the FP wordset by   
   > default.   
      
   These offer less options.  VFX theoretically allows replacing the   
   default pack with another but I had issues doing it on Win which   
   I reported.  I've not seen a fix/update for VFX for two years.   
      
   SwiftForth f/p was rationalized down to one mode - 80 bits, hardware   
   stack.  As this made it possible to distribute my superior,   
   VFX compatible, f/p output pack, I'm not complaining ;-)   
      
   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G8PYkEY73XPSygKlsWnM0XdZMx8ha7gb/view   
      
   > Gforth, iForth, and lxf included the FP wordset by default in all   
   > versions that I have tested.   
   >   
   > - anton   
      
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