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|    wij to olcott    |
|    Re: H(D) as simple as it gets    |
|    29 Oct 25 01:01:44    |
   
   From: wyniijj5@gmail.com   
      
   On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 11:24 -0500, olcott wrote:   
   > On 10/28/2025 10:19 AM, wij wrote:   
   > > On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 09:29 -0500, olcott wrote:   
   > > > On 10/28/2025 8:03 AM, wij wrote:   
   > > > > On Mon, 2025-10-27 at 23:29 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:   
   > > > > > Humm...   
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > 1 HOME   
   > > > > > 5 PRINT "The Olcott All-in-One Halt Decider!"   
   > > > > > 10 INPUT "Shall I halt or not? " ; A$   
   > > > > > 30 IF A$ = "YES" GOTO 666   
   > > > > > 40 GOTO 10   
   > > > > > 666 PRINT "OK!"   
   > > > >    
   > > > > Yes, HP is just that simple. The not-so-simple part (just a little   
   bit) is   
   > > > > making it precise to become a theorem. olcott wants to save human (not   
   really)   
   > > > > and AI industry. BASIC is too... well, kid stuff, not famous and big   
   enough to   
   > > > > exhibit the 3% intelligence. Being Simple and clear is olcott's   
   enermy.   
   > > > >    
   > > >    
   > > > *D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line*   
   > > >    
   > > > int D()   
   > > > {   
   > > > int Halt_Status = H(D);   
   > > > if (Halt_Status)   
   > > > HERE: goto HERE;   
   > > > return Halt_Status;   
   > > > }   
   > > >    
   > > > H simulates D   
   > > > that calls H(D) to simulate D   
   > > > that calls H(D) to simulate D   
   > > > that calls H(D) to simulate D   
   > > > that calls H(D) to simulate D   
   > > > that calls H(D) to simulate D   
   > > > until H sees this repeating pattern.   
   > >    
   > > 'D' (or DDD, whatever, although they look similar) is not the example   
   mentioned   
   > > in the HP proof. You are solving POO Problem.   
   > >    
   >    
   > The proof has no idea about simulating halt deciders.   
      
   The HP proof only needs a 'given' halt decider.   
   As a proof (in this case), you must provide a reproducable halt decider for    
   reviewers. So far, none, just mouth: "I have one".   
      
   > I cannot begin to show the next step of my proof   
   > until people utterly stop stonewalling me on the   
   > above step. They have done this for three years.   
      
   Forget about the 'next'. You should go back to understand what the HP is   
   asking.   
   Hint: HP is asking for a TM. Do the exercises in Linz's book to prove to    
    yourself you understand TM. Text book is not popular-science magzine.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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