From: bc@freeuk.com   
      
   On 30/10/2025 15:04, David Brown wrote:   
   > On 30/10/2025 13:07, bart wrote:   
      
   > Maybe there /is/ something wrong with your machine or setup.  If you   
   > have a 2 core machine, it is presumably a low-end budget machine from   
   > perhaps 15 years ago.  I'm all in favour of keeping working systems and   
   > I strongly disapprove of some people's two or three year cycles for   
   > swapping out computers, but there is a balance somewhere.  With such an   
   > old system, I presume you also have old Windows (my office Windows   
   > machine is Windows 7), and thus the old and very slow style of WSL.   
   > That, I think, could explain the oddities in your timings.   
      
   The machine is from 2021. It has an SSD, 8GB, and runs Windows 11. It   
   uses WSL version 2.   
      
   It is fast enough for my 40Kloc compiler to self-host itself repeatedly   
   at about 15Hz (ie. produce 15 new generations per second). And that is   
   using unoptimised x64 code:   
      
      c:\mx2>tim ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms ms hello   
      Hello, World   
      Time: 1.017   
      
   Hmm, I'm only counting 14 'ms' after the first. So apologies, it is only   
   14Hz!   
      
   >   
   >> You have even suggested I have manipulated the figures!   
   >   
   > No, I did not.  I have at various times suggested that you cherry-pick,   
   > that you might have poor methodology and that you sometimes benchmark in   
   > an unrealistic way in order to give yourself a bigger windmill for your   
   > tilting.   
      
   You said this:   
      
   DB:   
    >So, you are exaggerating, mismeasuring or misusing your system to get   
   build times that are well over an order of magnitude worse than   
   expected.  This follows your well-established practice.   
      
   But this is also very interesting: right from the start, I've been   
   making the point that the figures I got were far slower than expected   
   for the task.   
      
   Here it seems you are saying the same thing. Yet I'm the one who gets   
   repeatedly castigated.   
      
   >> So was I right in sensing something was off, or not?   
   >>   
   >   
   > You were wrong in thinking something was off about cdecl or its build.   
   > And it should not be news to you that there is something very suboptimal   
   > about your computer environment, as this is not exactly the first time   
   > it has been discussed.   
      
   There's nothing wrong with my environment. My PC is a supercomputer   
   compared with even 1970s mainframes and certainly compared to 1980s PCs.   
      
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